Joe, nobody filed a police report or an assault charge. The fact that someone should be in jail is not enough to actually commence with incraceration. There is something called due process, police reports, investigation, evidence, arraignment and trial. The BYU player elected not to pursue this course of action and the city and state law enforcement agencies have real crime i.e rape, robbery, murder and property crime to deal with, not some blowup that took place in a sport event.

Also by that logic, many linemen in the NFL should be in jail; heck, many NFL players. Numerous fights break out in NFL games;
cheap shots, chop blocks, horse collar tackles, facemasking, etc. No one goes to jail. The NFL metes out discipline via fines and suspensions and the issue dies. Flozel Adams
caused a man to have to undergo surgery on his shoulder. Did he
do any time? Jack Tatum, the Assasin, crippled a man with a
ferocious clothesline. He never was arrested and never really
apologized, hiding behind the veil that such a move was legal
at the time. A fight broke out at last weekend’s Cowboys/
Giants game, instigated once again by Flozell Adams shoving
Justin Tuck. No one was arrested or went to jail. So that
argument has no water, given similar, if not worse,
incidents take place in the NFL and MLB on a routine
basis.

My point was that she committed a stupid act that affected few.
I have yet to see any evidentiary arguments grounded in reality
that prove her act affected the whole of UNM. At least money
did not have to be shelled out to an out of state PR firm
to find out how to act like a leader in a crisis in this
case.

Madoff stole billions. How does acting like an idiot in
a soccer match compare. Nadya Suleman committed an act of
gross negligence and irresponsibility, given she already had
six children that she had a difficulty caring for; home
is in default and she is unemployed. While she may enjoy
short term gain from celebrity mags and reality tv, as soon
as another circus act comes along that’s even more eye
grabbing, she is back to being unemployed Nadya Suleman. He
act will affect her 14 children in addition to possibly
affecting the whole of the state of California in terms of
either public assistance or the cost of confiscating the
kids and placing them in The System.

Liz Lambert did not cause people to lose billions of private
wealth. She did not act in such a manner as to burden a state
in terms of child welfare, assistance and possible
legal/social services actions. To make the list of
pariahs in such a context would be akin to placing Pittsburgh
Steelers linebacker Jack Lambert and his rough antics on par
with the estimated 30 murders committed by Ted Bundy in the
1970s; apples to oranges.

But, in the America of this decade, critical thinking, nuance
and analysis has been replaced by slogans, soundbites
and whatever YouTube clip is blasting at the moment.

Bread and circuses anyone?

It’s just a list man.

Leave her alone already…I know that her actions were unjustifiable but let’s not blow it out of proportion. I mean, how many other female soccer players out there have been rough-housing, but went completely unnoticed?

America can tolerate many things but one thing she hates is a cheater. Lambert cheated not once but THREE TIMES in a single match and escaped with only a yellow card. Ridiculous.

Whatever. Time’s fluff list was an end-of-year wrap-up of people who deserve coal in their stocking. Lighten up.

As I wrote above, in the NFL and MLB, we see fights and brawls all the time. No public ridicule or outrage for those incidents. Jack Tatum CRIPPLED a man, yet never apologized nor
was he held to this level of ridicule.

Flozell Adams caused a man to have to have surgery and also instigated a fight in the rematch between Dallas and NY this
year. No outrage or ridicule.

Even the Brawl at the Palace in 2004 only drew a couple of days of heavy sports news coverage; Ron Artest was suspended and fined, the instigating fans arrested and banned from the
arena and the case was closed.

It is about context. Does Lambert deserve to be on a list that includes a man who robbed billions and a woman whose actions will strain an already overburdened state? That is the issue
at hand.

She committed a series of wrongful acts, got a month’s worth of bad publicity over the matter and has been disciplined
by her coaches. End of story.

Time’s piece shows a decline in standards and a lowering of the bar in terms of who can be cast as the villain or pariah. It reflects a society of soundbites and YouTube clips, which turns talentless tools like the Gosselins into legitimate
celebrities or turns some local soccer player named Elizabeth
Lambert into the blood bathing Elizabeth Bathory.

Fan details strides made since brawl
November 20, 2009, 2:33 AM ET

Five years later and they are still talking about the infamous Ron Artest brawl. ‘Couple of days coverage’ my eye.

Hey, I’m all for playing hard-nosed sports but the fact is Lambert cheated (and got caught on tape).

The Assassin Jack Tatum made a perfectly legal hit which happened to paralyze that one guy. Boxers have killed other boxers in the ring, all legal. No problem.

But take Juan Marichal, for instance, he takes a bat to John Roseboro’s head, that’s a big no-no and prevented him from getting into the Hall of Fame for the first 4 years.

Just this year, LeGarrette Blount of Oregon sucker punches a guy after a game and gets suspended for most of the season.

Your original point: Lambert doesn’t deserve to be grouped with Bernie Madoff. I will concede that. Replace Madoff with Tiger Woods or the Salahis. I don’t care. Neither does anyone else.

Your other points, however, are all over the place. Sure, the world’s going to hell in a handbasket, all thx to youtube, reality TV, and those crazy teenagers. sure. fine.

Bottom line: Elizabeth Lambert’s antics were deplorable and if Time wants to put her on a list of Top 10 Jerks of 2009 I’m all for it.

Lambert “cheated?” No, she committed several flagrant displays of vulgarity and violence. Cheating is what Bill Belichick and the Patriots did; better football through superior digital recording technology.

My point is, Time Magazine has been a respectable publication for many years. I myself am a subscriber to Time. I find writers like Joe Klein and Mark Halperin to be two of the better U.S political journalists (UK, European and Asian media actually do a better job at actual news reporting anymore)and Joel Stein is a man with a good humor and a finger on the pulse of absurdity. By delving into this tabloid/reality tv
drama, they degrade their own brand. Before, in order for a non-celebrity or politician to be listed as a Time villain, their acts had to either rise to the heinousness of a Bundy or Dahmer; mild mannered men either working mundane jobs or seemingly on the way to great things yet committing gruesome acts so savage people threw up in court OR the deceit and brazen greed of an Ivan Boesky or Michael Milken or the S&L’s; acts that shook the American finacial sector and the economy to its core. Now, just be seen acting like a jerk on YouTube in a regional or local sporting event and one is placed on the
level of a Bundy or Dahmer or Milken or Madoff.

Blount was punished accordingly and the team and sporting world moved forward. How come Blount is not on this list?

“all thx to youtube, reality TV, and those crazy teenagers. sure. fine.”

I hope you got an A in English 101. It is supposed to read “all thanks to YouTube… Sure.fine makes no sense and is supposed to simply be “Sure,” or “That is all good and fine but.”

Americans. High on self esteem and low on grammar and math.

My point was about CONTEXT and PERSPECTIVE. Bernard Madoff ran a con game that cost people billions; lost $60 plus billion and the actual fraud will never be known; estimated by former SEC chairman Harvey Pitt to be between $10 billion and $17 billion. Financial journalist Erin Arvedlund, Barron’s, estimated net fraud by Madoff Fund to be $12 billion to $20 billion.

Ms. Suleman’s acts will cost the state of California either in terms of public assistance or the social services action of having to take legal or regulatory action to confiscate her kids. If she can make a bundle of money now while the iron is hot, great. I hope she does because if not, someone help those kids.

It is about context, perspective? Is every mook who does something stupid or even flagrantly wrong worthy of being called a pariah by a national magazine. Some tool hit my car
while it was parked in an office parking lot. Is that person
a pariah? Woody Hayes actually HIT an opposing player in 1978
Gator Bowl. He lost his job yet was never classified as some
eyesore on society.

Lambert most likely made the headlines because it was a female
who was acting like a lout. I do not like playing the identity card but in this case, it appears to be appropriate. Mike Locksley reportedly hit his assistant coach in the face; Gerald
filed an actual police report and Krebs either is stupid or
deliberately violated the personnel policy manual; also
spent your money and mine to engage an out of state PR
firm to learn how to be the alpha male of a major
athletic department. Did Mike Locksley make the Hall
of Shame or Time’s Top 10 Pariahs? So, there may be some
truth to claim Lambert is being villified for being a female
cheap shot artist.

The fact of the matter is, she was punished appropriately by
her coaches, who took swift action once they saw the evidence
at hand. Her actions were wrong and vulgar, bringing even
further ill repute to UNM Athletics following the Locksley
debacle.

However, in CONTEXT, her acts affected a few individuals.
Madoff’s acts affected many to the tune of billions and
may very well have the same effect of S&L in which various
investors have to be repaired by taxpayer dollars if all
of the victims are not made whole by Madoff’s seized
assets and funds.

Also Chuck, “your dating” is a sign of arrested basic grammar;
supposed to read “you’re.”

Please argue cogent and intelligent points, not petty name
calling and sophomoric talking points.

“No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. “
H. L. Mencken

“Brandon, I bet your…” It is “you are” or “you’re.”

“And I’m sure your professors are all complaining about the evils of corporate greed, youtube, and reality tv are ruining the world and this has made quite and impression on you. “

I’ve been out of school for some time. Read the original letter. Does it say UNM Student? NO! It says Alumnus! Please read before writing about matters of which your understanding seems to be very limited.

I also know how to THINK for myself. It is not professors or
students that have an impression on me. It is rightfully placed cynicism based on common observation, experience
and understanding of things like NUANCE, PERSPECTIVE and
CONTEXT.

My point was CONTEXT! Do you know what that means?! A pariah is a person like a Madoff, Boesky, Milken, etc. If she was
featured in an ESPN article or SI article listing her as
such within the sports CONTEXT, that would be fine and
reasonable.

Time Magazine bills itself as a publication dealing with serious issues affecting our time and place. By stooping to
such YouTube and reality tv driven soap operas, they
drive the notion that the media in this country is not
serious about educating the public on important matters and
only is interested in fast moving sensationalism.

I repeat, if SI or ESPN the Magazine or a magazine devoted to soccer listed her as a sports embarassment, that would be
appropriate within the specific CONTEXT.

BTW, list’s is supposed to read “lists” if used in plural sense.

No wonder the U.S is losing traction in important categories.
People opine about matters or persons of which they know
little or nothing and on top of that, cannot even form intelligent or proper sentences.

All right Chuck. DID YOU READ THE HEADING? I AM NOT A COLLEGE
REPORTER. I GRADUATED SOME TIME AGO AND SIMPLY WROTE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR.

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT ENOUGH BRAINS TO POOR PISS OUT OF A BOOT
WITH DIRECTIONS ON THE HEEL.

TELL YOU WHAT, WHITE. NAME THE TIME AND PLACE. I WILL BEAT THE
LIVING FUCK OUT OF YOU, YOU MOUTHBREATHING LEAD EATER. THEN
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT GETTING BEAT UP.

YOU’VE NOT MADE ONE SINGLE COGENT STATEMENT OR FACT BASED
ARGUMENT. NAME CALLING IS WHERE FOOLS WHO HAVE NO ARGUMENT OR
BASIS RUN TO; HIDING THEIR IMMATURITY AND LACK OF INTELLIGENCE
BEHIND SOPHOMORIC “HUMOR.” WHY DON’T YOU FACE ME LIKE A
MAN. NAME THE TIME AND PLACE, FUCKFACE!

I never claimed to be an intellectual. I simply like correct grammar and if one disagrees with me, I appreciate something called reason, logic and facts.

You made this personal. Now, either man up and meet me face to face and tell me your locker room jokes to my face or let it go on record you are a coward and pissant. You want to make jokes about people? Have the guts to do it face to face.

I simply wrote a letter pointing out an absurdity. You are the one who made it personal, with your insinuations and inanity.
Man up and give me the time and place or shut up and crawl back into your single wide.