New Mexico Daily Lobo
URL: http://www.dailylobo.com/index.php/article/2009/11/lamberts_actions_inexcusable_but_she_deserves_forgiveness
Current Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:02:53 -0700
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Lambert's actions inexcusable, but she deserves forgiveness
Editor,
This letter is to Elizabeth Lambert.
I am an athlete at BYU. I was watching the game and saw what you did; it made me angry. Later that night I saw it again on Sports Center. The next morning, I saw it on YouTube. All day Friday I have listened to people say “If I were there I would have … ” followed by a graphic description of how they would make you hurt. Slowly my feelings of anger have turned into sympathy.
What you did was inexcusable and you deserve to be punished. But no one deserves the amount of hate that has been directed at you over the last day. I hope you haven’t seen the YouTube video and read the comments because they are disgusting. There are a lot of unforgiving ignorant people in this world. Most of what has been said are empty words spoken in the heat of the moment. Much like you, people do or say things and regret them later. Sometimes the voice of reason gets lost in a storm of the reactionary.
That is why I feel a little hesitant saying this while the incident is so fresh in
everyone’s minds. But I wanted you to know that we at BYU try to live by the Christian ideals that we profess, namely forgiveness. I hope that none of my fellow students have been a part of the vicious campaign against you. If so, then I apologize on their behalf.
I am sure this is a very difficult time for you and it may very well get worse. Whatever the consequences of your actions, I hope you have people who will stand by you. It would be a shame to let this one incident turn your life in the wrong direction.
Rob Skidmore
BYU student



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I saw vagina weggie 1st
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Watch the BYU player grab the UNM player in the crotch area with her left hand AND THEN CAME THE HAIR PULL!!!
THEN, the BYU ELBOWED the UNM player RIGHT IN THE HEART AREA AND IN THAT DELICATE SPOT BELOW THE RIBS THAT WOULD HAVE KNOCKED THE BREATH OUT OF MOST OF US AND THEN CAME THE ARM/ELBOW FROM THE UNM PLAYER TO THE BACK OF THE UNM PLAYER.
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In both cases, the BYU PLAYER STRUCK FIRST! GET IT, FIRST!!!
There were three more clips of AGGRESSIVE BUT NORMAL PLAY THAT CAN BE SEEN IN EVERY GAME AROUND THE WORLD. WERE THEY FOULS? YES, BUT IN ANY GAME, MANY FOULS THAT WE SEE DON’T COUNT EVEN IF WE SCREAM OUR HEADS OFF. IT’S WHAT THE REFEREE SEES.
One clip though, the UNM player slapped the BYU player in the face but AGAIN THE BYU PLAYER CHARGED IN FIRST WITH A DIRTY CLIP!!! GET IT, FIRST!!!
The YOUTUBE video had BLIND announcer because they never mentioned the obvious left hand VAGINA WEGGIE. One inch to the right and it would have been rated X!
I DON’T GET IT, A UNM COACH WAS SUSPENDED FOR TEN DAYS FOR AN “OFF THE FIELD” FIGHT AND WAS DOCKED $2900 PER DAY OR $29,000 AND THIS FOR HITTING A CO-WORKER AND THEN WE “SUSPEND INDEFINATELY” A PLAYER FOR “ON THE FIELD” AGGRESSIVE PLAY AND STANDING UP FOR HERSELF FROM THE BYU BULLY WHO LAID THERE LIKE A LITTLE BABY. SHE’LL SURELY BE NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR!
THE UNM PLAYER SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE ON THE GROUND CATCHING HER BREATH AND FOR EXTRACTING HER JOCK STRAP FROM HER VAGINA!!!
Dr. Kamilla W.
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I played soccer since a young child in my native Brazil and no doubt that is incident is blown out of proportion. I also laughed at the UNM’s player grabbing the other’s hair but what caused the incident was the BYU player grabbing the trunks and underwear of the UNM player.
Grabbing of the crotch area, especially on a man, would have caused a fight that would have eventually emptied the stands resulting in a riot!
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Elbows are very common! Knees are even more common! Aggressive diving is common! Pushing is common! Tripping is common! And believe it or not, hair pulling is also common. Yes, the UNM player pulled harder than normal but if I would have been grabbed in my crotch, I would have put her in a choke hold!!!
The BYU player went over the line too. The UNM player should have been given a one game suspicion which is common and that’s it.
Is her career over? The scouts will soon be knocking on her door! I’d hire her in a flash! She’s aggressive, stands up for herself, doesn’t get pushed around, a passion to win, and puts her heart into it! If you look closely at some other BYU and UNM players, there is alot of standing around, waiting, instead of on the prowl!!!
Mark
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If such behavior has any common element to it then it should not. If a team is unable to win without their players acting like totals spoiled brats then they should lose. In this case they did and that is wonderful to see. I bet that these types of things are encouraged by the leadership of this team. She should be suspended and her coach fined. This would create a double incentive to see to it that this type of cheating is not allowed. This kind of behavior is malicious and when you watch closely it appears that this girl may need some extended counseling, anger management and issues resolution.
Lobos Fan
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The real embarrassment at UNM is the football team. Put Elizabeth Lambert in charge of the gridiron program – she’s got more cojones than that whiny AD Paul Krebs.
Doug
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You can look at every contact sport and you will see that more unacceptable violent behavior has been creeping into the play for many years. The time has come for the respective amateur sports governing boards at national and international levels to step up and clean up their respective sports. Officials need to call flagrant fouls as they are supposed to call them. Coaches need to pull players from games when players commit flagrant fouls that go uncalled by officials. Little can or will be done by professional sports governing bodies to help in this regard because blood on the field of play translates into bucks in the till. The professional stance is well documented wherein there is great outrage after an incident for a month or two and then it is back to violent play as usual until the next time a player is mugged on court and left with career ending injuries. So amateur sports organizations, who are you waiting for to clean up your sport? Why not now? If not now, then when? If not by you, then by who?
Matt_D
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Thank you for writing this letter. I feel like if more people viewed all aspects of conflict this way we would much easily come to a resolution. I for one will support Lambert in moving past this incident. What’s done is done, now its time to move forward.
On a positive note, i am happy to see some responsibility and disciplinary actions taken as we most definitely cannot say the same for the football program.
Bill Alden
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The BYU player did not grab Lambert’s “crotch” – she grabbed a part of Lambert’s shorts; and the elbow to the rib cage looked rather mild.
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Follow your own logic here, doctor – you call all of these things the BYU players did “common,” but then call them justification for the far worse retaliation by Miss Lambert. Que? Do you grasp the contradiction there, or do I need to spell it out further?
Which is it – “common,” or over the line? Common, I guess, if it’s the New Mexico player doing it, but over the line for the BYU player.
I have no idea why Lambert did what she did, and only hope it was some aspect of her behavior she can correct, and soon. As for now the spotlight on her behavior has given athletes everywhere further incentive NOT to behave like this, as if basic human decency weren’t incentive enough.
Lobo Fan
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Thank you BYU student for yor forgiveness. While I don’t condone Elizabeth’s actions, I feel that the media scrutiny is ridiculous! She sincerely apologized. Let’s move on.
I can forgive her, she is a young student athlete that retaliated (although wrongly) in the heat of the battle.
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What irks me, is she got thrown under the bus, while our 40 year old head coach got his wrists slaps for choking/punchling/slapping the receivers coach in a MEETING!
Elizabeth, I truly hope you are surrounded by good people and can move on. While this incident will shape you, don’t let it define you!
Head Devil
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damn! why did she have to apologize? apologizing is a sign of weakness. I may just have to retract my offer of marriage to her. but, what a woman! I LOVE YOU ELIZABETH!
Mark
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Lobo Fan,
If you believe that Elizabeth Lambert sincerely apologized, you are quite mistaken.
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Ms. Lambert merely read spin prepared by Daniel Archuleta and/or Greg Remington in the Lobos’ women’s soccer public relations department.
That Ms. Lambert’s coach, Kit Vela, would call her a “quality student-athlete” only requires one to wonder how Coach Vela would define a “poor student-athlete.”
Perhaps a “poor student-athlete,” as per Coach Vela and the Spin Brothers Archuleta and Remington, would be a Lobo soccer player and biology major who belongs to al Qaeda in her spare time?
Perhaps a “poor student-athlete,” as per Coach Vela and the Spin Brothers Archuleta and Remington, would be a Lobo soccer player and business major who runs a Ponzi scheme in her spare time?
Perhaps a “poor student-athlete,” as per Coach Vela and the Spin Brothers Archuleta and Remington, would be a Lobo soccer player and art history major who robs convenience stores in her spare time?
Ms. Lambert’s inappropriate actions, whatever the reason and whatever the provocation, indicate not only poor sportsmanship and a complete lack of integrity and class, but they also reveal a shocking encouragement and entitlement on the parts of Coach Vela and the Spin Brothers Archuleta and Remington.
Justify it all you wish, but some things are always wrong.
Bill Alden
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No, an Al Qaeda member would be celebrated as bringing diversity to the squad.
As for the guy wanting to marry her – don’t you worry that if you ever became a couple and had a fight that you might just wake up missing certain parts of your male anatomy?
The Nation
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Your school is now the laughing stock of the nation.
No class.
Mark
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Lambert was clearly wrong and should receive some sort of punishment. Retaliation is no excuse. However, she has apologized, profusely I might add, and has been reviled in the international media. At this point there is not much else she can say. Let’s give her a chance to prove that she is a “quality student/athlete.” If she can then we can move on.
Mark
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To make the assertion that Lambert’s groin was being grabbed and that she pulled the BYU players hair in retaliation is the biggest bunch of crap I have ever read. I have watched the video over and over and there is no such thing as described above by the juvenile posters above. In basketball, soccer and other sports reaching back to find out where your opponent is and jockeying for position occurs all the time. If you think that what the idiots above inferred is true then you need glasses and to put down the crack pipe.
Laura
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I have been an sports person my whole life. Playing every sport from baseball to basketball to hockey to football and soccer. these sports were played in leagues out side of school and also played with my cousin. I was a tomboy my whole life and played rough sports with my boy cousins. and never in my life would I expected to see a young women act the way she did. Our kids of today look up to these women as hero’s as they should. they don’t need to see them acting this way on the field. It’s setting a bad example for out younger generation. She was wrong in so many ways. I was very disappointed to see that.
Clarence Gaines
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Elizabeth Lambert has been crucified by the media and many others. Her own school has suspended her from associating with her team. I agree that she should serve a game(s) suspension, but she should be allowed to work out with her teammates. Our society can go overboard in meting out punishment. Justice in our society used to be based on tempering justice with mercy. Now, it’s just all about meting out punishment.
How do you defend the indefensible. I don’t condone Lambert’s actions, but I will tell you that she is the type of athlete that I like to coach. Here’s the dirty little secret about top level athletes. They all have a mean streak. Some mask it better than others, but they all want to take your heart out. It’s my job as a coach to help an athlete like Elizabeth channel her passion and competitiveness in a more constructive manner.
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I would also like to see the complete tape of the game, and not selected edits. Put the complete game tape online.
Missouri
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What she deserves is to be prosecuted. It’s clear to anyone that watches that video that Ms. Lambert used force intending to inflict bodily injury.
Danny Torres
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The BYU players deliberately and repeatedly fouled Elizabeth Lambert while smiling and smerking the whole time. Goaded by their actions, which the referees completely ignored, she lost her temper snd her better judgement. It is a shame that she is the only one punished for poor behavior when the BYU plsyers caused the whole thing, aided by the inexcusable refusal by the referees to disipline them for their poor sportsmanship the entire game.
Leo
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I love soccer and consider myself a fan! I play the sport and know how it works. Understand this…She has been punished for her actions…MOVE ON! she has apologized, it doesnt matter if she meant it or not, if someone made her apologize or not. She has apologized, she has been punished and thats it!
Do you know who really should be punished as well? THE REFEREE! Miss Lambert should had been sent off and this incident would never had happened. Thats it.
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And one last comment for the person who wrote this:
“In both cases, the BYU PLAYER STRUCK FIRST! GET IT, FIRST!!!”:
Clearly you do not follow soccer, and if you do, you just dont know much about it. This is NOT BASKETBALL, you will always see strong physical contact in any soccer match. I dont excuse Lambert’s actions since they were over the line, but come on!
Walt from CT
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What is wrong with these kind of people that thinks this is the way to compete? She should be arrested and thrown off the team. She better not be getting any scholarship money.
Walt from CT
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She SHOULD be crucified by the media – she is a goon. She can’t play so she has to resort to that. She is an embarrassment to her parents, her shcool and the sport. Heaven help whoever marries her… domestic abuse waiting to happen. Only Chris Brown could handle her
LadySiren
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Are you KIDDING me?! As the mom of three young girls playing soccer, I personally feel that Elizabeth Lambert shouldn’t be forgiven, she should be banned. What is she teaching the next generation of soccer players? That it’s okay to hit back harder if you get hit first? That thuggery is excusable on the playing field? That losing one’s temper is okay unless you get caught on camera?
Her “apology” was less than sincere, IMO, and doesn’t make up for her on-field behavior. She said she was sorry, oh, how nice of her. She got a suspension, yay. It’s “indefinite” suspension, which IMO, means she’s suspended until the furor dies down enough that UNM can bring her back without seeming to endorse her unsportsmanlike, neo-criminal behavior.
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I’m so glad my girls haven’t seen this clip (yet), it goes against every principle of good sportsmanship that we’ve tried to instill in them during their three years of soccer. Furthermore, Elizabeth’s parents and the refs should be forced to watch this clip every day as a reminder that they failed her.
Pauline
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I’ve been involved as a coach on a high school level. My husband a ref. Because of health, I usually go to just watch now. It is so funny to watch parents as they see only what they want to see and know everything. This is just a game & they can go overboard so it does not surprise me that anger has increased on the field. Refs will not see everything, It is a contact sport but it is a refs responsiblity to control a game and a coaches responsility to control their players. In both the cases of the shorts grab/vs hair pull & elbow/vs elbow and which was first. What Lambert is doing with her right arm that we cannot see behind the back, just before the incidents. Not sure how it started but how she ended it is a problem.
Allen Y
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Come on people, she is way too much for this. However the refe should be banned. He just need to red card her after first one or two, and that will stope the rest. After all, she may deserve ban from a few games, but not her sport life.
Paul Walker
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What a GHETTO THUG. She should be PERMANANTLY BANNED, and arrested for assualt. I’ll bet she wouldn’t pull that crap in any county jail in America,,, what a video clip that would make watching someone beat the snot out of her!!!!!
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