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Susan Fuentes kneels in prayer at the Holy Innocents Center for Life, a Catholic ministry adjacent to Planned Parenthood on San Mateo Blvd. The chapel discourages women from seeking abortions at Planned Parenthood.
A wall of photos in the Holy Innocents Center for Life depicts women and their newborn babies.
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About six months ago, a female UNM student walked into Care Net Pregnancy Center on Candelaria Avenue expecting to get a pregnancy test.
“The lady who was giving me the pamphlets and information and all this stuff, she started asking me really personal questions about my relationship with my partner at the time,” said the student, who preferred to remain anonymous. “Then she started asking me, ‘Well, what are you going to do if you’re pregnant?’ And I said, ‘Have an abortion.’ She told me basically that God was going to send me to hell for doing that.”
Care Net is one of two “religious crisis pregnancy centers” in Albuquerque which are right next to Planned Parenthood facilities on San Mateo Boulevard and Candelaria Avenue.
Holy Innocents Center for Life is a Catholic ministry that offers free ultrasounds adjacent to the Planned Parenthood on San Mateo Boulevard as part of what they call “Project Defending Life.” Care Net is a non-denominational religious center that offers free pregnancy tests next to Planned Parenthood on Candelaria Road. However, Care Net has no exterior signs indicating its religious affiliation.
Martha Edmands, director of Public and Governmental Affairs for Planned Parenthood of New Mexico, said she is worried that women may be confused by the signs offering free pregnancy tests and help for pregnant women, because they are close to Planned Parenthood.
“We’ve been in the Candelaria location for a long time before Care Net moved in,” she said. “They put up their sign that says ‘free pregnancy testing,’ and sometimes people think they are coming to us and they walk in there.”
Mary LeQuieu, Albuquerque area executive director of Care Net, said setting up shop next to Planned Parenthood four years ago was a coincidence.
“(The realtor) insisted that we look at this location,” LeQuieu said. “It was best priced and had the best arrangement and was in the area we wanted to be in, so that was purely incidental.”
Father Stephen Imbarrato, Project Defending Life founder and president, said he picked the location next to Planned Parenthood on purpose because of the abortion services offered there. He said members of Project Defending Life stand outside Planned Parenthood to talk to the girls going in and offer alternative services to them.
“When they’re open, we’re there,” he said. “We have people praying in the back and the front. We don’t scream, we don’t yell. We don’t say, you know, ‘Don’t kill your baby,’ or all this other stuff. We minister.”
Edmands said Planned Parenthood is nervous that some religious centers are providing girls with inaccurate information.
“Girls should realize who they are talking to and that there is a possibility that they might be getting biased information,” she said. “They often give information that is going to frighten or scare or try and change someone’s mind about what their options are.”
The female UNM student said she left Care Net feeling awkward and pressured. She said she went to Care Net about six months ago for a pregnancy test because the sign said they were free, and she was misled by their location.
“I thought they were a Planned Parenthood,” she said.
The female UNM student said a woman working there started giving her pamphlets discouraging abortion and delayed giving her the results of the pregnancy test.
Project Defending Life and Care Net do not encourage any contraceptive use, according to representatives at both centers.
Edmands said she is worried about religious centers that advocate for only abstinence because it isn’t realistic.
“Not only are they anti-abortion, but some of them are anti-contraception, and it’s just not helpful,” she said. “If they are not going to refer someone who is sexually active for what kind of contraception options there are, and tell them the only option is to get married because they are sexually active — that’s scary. It sounds like a disaster in the making. The last thing we need is a 16-year-old getting married.”
Marelenn Sandoval, who attends Project Defending Life parenting classes weekly, said the ministry has helped her husband and herself immensely.
“They offer pretty much anything,” she said. “You ask them for help and they help out in every way. We come here for the mom class every Wednesday.”
Sandoval said Project Defending Life hosted a baby shower for her and gave her free ultrasounds throughout her pregnancy.
“For people who can’t afford to go pay for an ultrasound — it’s like $200 — they give them to you for free,” she said. “So if you think the baby turned the wrong way you can check, or if you just want to see the baby they offer it any time you can.”
Sandoval, 19, was married last month. She said she is Catholic and never thought about abortion.
Project Defending Life also offers financial, emotional and spiritual support as well as free ultrasounds, Imbarrato said.
“It’s proven that 90 percent of moms who see their babies in the womb choose to not have an abortion,” he said.
Care Net offers professional counseling, birthing classes, a mentoring program, parenting classes, and post-abortion counseling – all for free, LeQuieu said.
She said the parenting classes are called “Earn While You Learn,” and allow women to earn points and buy pregnancy goods.
“As they take classes, they get points,” LeQuieu said. “They can then use (them) to purchase baby clothes, maternity clothes, diapers, baby formula, toys — that kind of thing. The incentive is that they get to use the fake money to purchase these items which are all donated by the community.”
Today is the 37th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, which allows women to legally have abortions.
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Katie
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I hate to say it but most women who get pregnant and want an abortion should be given one quickly, many would most likely be a poor parent and society would have to live with what would be their second mistake, having the baby.
Zach Nielsen
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Katie,
Would you say that bad parenting should justify killing a child? That seems to be what you are saying. So if a mother is a really bad parent should she be allowed to kill her toddler?
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I think you are assuming that the unborn child is not human, thus they should be allowed to be terminated? If don’t think they are human, then why not? If you do think they are human then why should they be allowed to be killed, but not a two-year-old?
Thanks.
Zach
Ken Blackwell
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Tens of thousands of pro-lifers will descend upon the streets of Washington, D.C. today. They will come this year — as they have come every year since 1974. It won’t matter if there’s a “wintry mix.” In 1985, the Inauguration of a President was forced indoors for the first time in history. An arctic blast forced cancellation of the Inaugural Parade. But two days later, with frigid winds unabated in their fury, the March for Life went on as scheduled.
They come to bear witness. They come to protest a grave injustice. Some young people have grown up coming every year to this March for Life. Thousands of young people will camp out Thursday night at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and attend Mass early on Friday morning. Thousands of others will attend worship services at area Evangelical and Lutheran churches.
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No cause since the great Civil Rights movement of the 1960s has brought together such a diverse group of supporters. Every race of mankind is represented. Every continent has sent its representatives.
The pro-life movement has battered down the walls of ancient prejudice separating Catholic from Protestant, and Protestants from other Protestants. Marchers will also hear the sounds of an ancient Hebrew shofar — the ceremonial ram’s horn that alerted God’s people as far back as the Exodus.
You might think that the 2008 elections would have put an end to right-to-lifers’ incessant agitation. You would be wrong. Only when America herself is adjourned will you hear the end of outcry against this most un-American of rulings.
What does Roe mean? It means that an abortionist can kill an unborn child and we have no right to object. “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one,” says a morally bankrupt bumper sticker from the other side. How about: “If you don’t like slavery, don’t own one?”
We’ve heard a lot about “the Kennedy seat” in the Massachusetts Senate race this week.
I’d like to talk about the Kennedys’ friend. Archibald Cox was certainly a liberal. He was certainly an intellectual. You can’t be a Harvard Professor without being an intellectual.
But when it came to grading the work of that Harvard Law School graduate, Justice Harry Blackmun, Prof. Cox gave the striving jurist a failing grade:
“[Blackmun’s opinion] fails even to consider what I would suppose to be the most important compelling interest of the State in prohibiting abortion: the interest in maintaining that respect for the paramount sanctity of human life which has always been at the centre of Western civilization, not merely by guarding life itself, however defined, but by safeguarding the penumbra, whether at the beginning, through some overwhelming disability of mind or body, or at death.…
The failure to confront the issue in principled terms leaves the opinion to read like a set of hospital rules and regulations, whose validity is good enough this week but will be destroyed with new statistics upon the medical risks of child-birth and abortion or new advances in providing for the separate existence of a fetus.… Neither historian, nor layman, nor lawyer will be persuaded that all the prescriptions of Justice Blackmun are part of the Constitution.”
Even a liberal, even a Harvard Law Professor, even a friend of the Kennedy family like Archibald Cox knew why Roe is wrong. And the marchers know it, too. From the little children holding their moms’ hands to the eighty-somethings being wheeled up to the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court: they all know Roe is wrong.
I am proud to stand with the protesters. I am proud to live in a country where we can still peaceably assemble and petition our government for redress of wrongs. We are marching in Dr. King’s footsteps when we do so.
Lincoln said it well: Nothing stamped in the divine image was sent into the world to be trod upon. We believe unborn children are so stamped. We believe every child should be welcomed in life — and protected in law. May God bless the United States and this honorable court. Especially, may He bless the court with the wisdom at long last to do justice.
G. Tracy Mehan III
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One struggles to say something new or insightful on this dark day, the 37th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s usurpation of democracy, human and natural rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
As most readers will recall, it was on this day in 1973 that the nation’s high court legalized abortion on demand, for any reason imaginable, for all nine months of pregnancy, up to the moment of birth. This was the legal effect of the court’s two decisions in Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton.
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Over the years the number of abortions reached an all-time high of 1.6 million per year in 1990, dropping to 1.2 million per year as recently as 2007. A good approximate count as to the total number of unborn lives lost is something on the order of 49,551,703.
In the blink of an eye, America will have killed off nearly 50 million of its progeny. The obvious comparisons have already been made to the loss of life in the Civil War, the Viet Nam War, 9/11, Iraq, and Afghanistan, all of which, combined, cannot rival this butcher’s bill for abortion’s grip on the land in just one year.
Facts, as they say, are stubborn things.
One must give thanks that the Supreme Court, just barely, allowed a ban on “partial birth abortion” to stand, a kind of infanticide practiced at the instance of birth, using methods that makes a sentient person’s stomach turn. One must also praise the fortitude and political savvy of the former Michigan state trooper and Congressman from the Upper Peninsula, Bart Stupak, who forced his own Democratic Party leadership to allow him, successfully, to seek a prohibition on abortion funding in the House health care bill.
And there is the glimmer of hope one can find in the recent turning in public attitudes, as documented by the Gallup organization, and discussed on this site, that more Americans call themselves pro-life than pro-choice.
Despite the immobility of the political and judicial culture, its invincible ignorance and studied indifference to the humanity of unborn children, one prays that the culture is not completely lost. Gallup’s research offers some consolation as will the tens of thousands of citizens braving the elements and giving witness to the right to life on the Mall in Washington, D.C. this black anniversary.
Rich Boucher
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“She told me basically that God was going to send me to hell for [having an abortion].” – female UNM student mentioned in paragraph one of the article.
Just a question here, folks. How does someone “basically” tell you something? This student was either A: told she was going to Hell for getting an abortion, or, B: NOT told she was going to Hell for getting an abortion.
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Again, how do you “basically” tell someone something?
I am disgusted to learn that a UNIVERSITY student cannot express herself in a clear, unambiguous and articulate manner.
Is this example typical of how all UNM students speak?
Freedom of Choice
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I agree with Rich. I would love to know exactly what they said to her.
I’ve never been to Carenet to take a pregnancy test, but I know some things about it. The reason that it is not blasted in the front and waiting area with scriptures and religious things is because that is not wholly who they serve. They do not want people to turn away based on seeing all of that and feel out of place. The people at Carenet are there to help EVERYONE regardless of religious preferences. They are there to INFORM the parents of the unborn child, inform them of all of her choices. Which is what the freedom of choice means, right? They want women to fully understand all of her choices. If her choice is abortion, she should know what that means. That that choice to end her pregnancy is not the end of it. She should know how most women who go through with an abortion end up regretting it, and that that choice ends up haunting them for some time to come. Maybe not right away.Shelby
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“When they’re open, we’re there,” he said. “We have people praying in the back and the front. We don’t scream, we don’t yell. We don’t say, you know, ‘Don’t kill your baby,’ or all this other stuff. We minister.”
“The reason that it is not blasted in the front and waiting area with scriptures and religious things is because that is not wholly who they serve.”
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Oh, really??? Then I must be imagining things every morning they’re out there because all I hear is, “God loves you and your baby!, Take a rosery!, Talk to us! We can help you!, blah blah blah!” Or what about a guy on the sidewalk telling an escort “You’re going to hell!” and then spitting on the ground?
Yea, they’re definently NOT yelling at the patients. They’re quietly praying for each and every one of them.
If you really want to help me, pay my rent, pay my car payments, and get the child (who was not planned or is possibly the child of the guy who raped me) through highschool and college. P-LEASE!
Bill
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Shelby makes a great point, one I’ve told many anti-abortionists. For the record, I don’t believe in abortion myself, as I do believe that a human being is alive from the moment of conception. That said though, when I see the anti-abortion people stamping their feet and condemning the women who are going to make this often heart wrenching decision, I often wonder just how many of them have adopted children.
I am pro-choice but I believe that choice has to be made before intercourse happens. If you don’t want to have a child with the person you’re sleeping with, then you should either use effective contraception or remain celibate until you are with someone you do feel ok with.
Phillip Howel
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BILL, your use of the “adopted children” is a canard. That is not the issue; it is simply this: Abortion ends the life of a human being. You, Shelby and Katie all agree this is a “baby”, a “child.”
Why is it OK to kill that baby, regardless of the circumstances, other than in the rare instance where the mom’s life is truly in danger.
Hell?
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I wonder if the lady at Carenet meant hell in the literal sense? Maybe she meant that she would be in hell after having an abortion in the figurative sense. I know so many women who suffer after making that choice that they can never take back.
WTF?
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Ok so there seems to be a lot of prolifers commenting, my question is do you guys have a problem with death? Do you feel that its justified to kill sometimes? Or never? I mean a fetus is human but it wouldn’t necessarily qualify as a person. A lot of people get all reverent about killing “babies” but when it comes to anything else, the death penalty, wars, genocide, etc…. they could care less. Since when was human “life” so precious? The thought that we are all god’s bright shining children and jewels fall miraculously out of our rectums has gotten “humanity” in enough trouble as it is. With over population, global warming, and the economy, it seems like the last thing we need is more children that are not properly prepared for real life.
When it comes to the morality of killing “people” its an all or nothing statement, either no killing is ever justified or it all is, because to say that someone deserves life over another is a completely arbitrary decision.
People who get abortions are choosing to get them, its a choice, not a wrong one or a right one. Just like people who don’t get abortions. With both decisions come consequences and benefits that don’t just effect the baby and mother, it spreads out across the whole society. To tell someone that they don’t have the right either way is ridiculous and even anti-American.
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Ken you are a fucking jack ass, you are not following MLK’s footsteps. He was a man that fought for people’s rights, he didn’t fight to take other people’s rights away…. ALSO as a man I don’t see why you have the right to say ANYTHING.
Dear wtf
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Yes it’s a choice. Yes there is a debate about whether the fetus is a person. Wouldn’t you want to er on the side of caution? One side says yes it is human at conception. One side says not until they are born.
If you are hunting and you see something move around in the bushes and it could be your hunting partner. Wouldn’t you err on the side of caution?
If you see someone laying motionless on the ground. Wouldn’t you at least call 911 immediately cuz they could be alive still?
I know your view is that a fetus is not human. But this is debated, and on the pro-life side by many scientists and doctors. Since there is debate, wouldn’t you want to err on the side of caution? I mean this is a human life, a soul, we are talking about here.
Pro choice?
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“When I present the pro-life position on campuses, I often begin by saying: ‘Yes, I’m pro-choice. That’s why I believe every man has the right to rape a woman if that is his choice. After all, it’s his body — and neither you nor I have the right to tell him what to do with it. He’s free to choose, and it’s none of our business what choice he makes. We have no right to impose our morals on him. Whether I like the choice or not, he should have the freedom to make his own choices.’”
Certainly this position is not “amenable to reason” or even slightly agreed upon by any. Yet the same principle is thoughtlessly accepted when it comes to a woman’s so-called “right” to choose an abortion
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“Dear wtf”
First I would like to mock your for using “err” so often, you are truly “intelligent”
You are assuming that human life is important, the way our society treats the human life that is already alive shows very much the opposite, the same people who protest in front of abortion clinics think that the US government should nuke Iraq into a parking lot. Further more you really didn’t address any of my questions, you just stated allegories of situations of when people’s lives would be saved by a rational individual.
But I have an allegory for you, there is a woman with five children walking in a department store and one of the children asked where their “daddy” was, the mother turned around and slapped the child stating that they should never ask about their father again. Yah….that kid seems like they are really happy to be alive.
Why are anti-depressants the number one perscribed drug in America? Because life here sucks…and most people don’t want to live it.
Sanity
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WTF: Yea, life here sucks, this is a stupid country. Considering that we’re literally the most scientifically and economically advanced country in the world, it’s completely unacceptable that we have to put up with sky-high crime rates, a completely broken health care system and the disturbingly common lunatic rantings of people who believe the son of god came down from heaven to bestow the right upon them, personally, to dictate other people’s behavior.
These assholes think it’s immoral to destroy a cluster of cells the size of a fingernail, but it’s completely okay to prey on young women in a vulnerable position. The things these religious “clinics” (more like “propaganda centers”) are doing is far more immoral than what the abortion clinics do, even if you’re willing to believe the ridiculous idea that a fetus is the same as a person. But are there groups of protesters outside Care Net?
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By my estimate, more than half the population of the US are totally delusional, if not outright psychotic. Thanks for bringing some sanity to this discussion.
tra6lala
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“Project Defending Life and Care Net do not encourage any contraceptive use, according to representatives at both centers.”
Why don’t these places support contraceptives? Personally I don’t think that’s it’s wrong to be responsible.
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“The female UNM student said a woman working there started giving her pamphlets discouraging abortion and delayed giving her the results of the pregnancy test.”
That’s just mean. How can someone hold out news like that against someone? To me that’s a form a torture. That pregnancy test wasn’t free. It came with the price of humiliation.
I think the best way to share a belief or value with someone is through absolute kindness. If jerks try to approach me in such a negative manner, then I am going to take their message negatively, too.
“He said members of Project Defending Life stand outside Planned Parenthood to talk to the girls going in and offer alternative services to them.”
Please don’t approach me when I go purchase my birth control.
Anniversary Roe vs. Wade
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Abortion kills, ends destinies of people who could change world!
Editor,
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Do you believe in destiny? Do you believe in fate? Everyone has heard, “He was destined to be a (blank). It was his fate.” Is what you are studying today leading to your destiny? When a young boy or girl dies, their parents say, “He/she wanted to be a (blank). That’s all he/she thought about.” That child had a destiny but, unfortunately for the world, their life was cut short. The suspense is never over as we’ll always wonder who they were to become. Does a fetus or “it” have a destiny? Maybe “it” is, or was, to be the first woman president, the first person on Mars, the inventor of the cure for breast cancer or AIDS, or another Elvis. How do we know that someone somewhere didn’t just abort an Einstein, a Rembrandt or a Plato? Some people say President Barack Obama is living his destiny. Luckily his mother didn’t abort him, right? But what if the real “first black president” was aborted years ago? Is the only reason “it” is conceived and then aborted is so there could be a pro/anti debate? No matter what side of the abortion issue you are on, don’t you ever wonder who “it” was or is?
Steve Chavez
UNM alumnus
Thanks Steve Chavez! I wish you could have spoken today in D.C. but your letter was passed around and tears were flowing. Today’s speeches were focused on those who had abortions and regretted them and yes, we wondered who they would have become, their destiny.
Janice B.
Janice B.
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The biggest voices against abortion are the women that have had one. We know the horrors that haunt us forever for a decision based on reasons that are not legitimate and mostly sorry excuses!
After a woman has an abortion, then they learn how to say “NO?” We tell women to say “NO” before that horny bastard, who will probably leave you if you do get pregnant, climbs on top of you!
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850,000 abortions last year! How many were for sorry excuses not based on health?
Learn to say “NO!” Don’t put yourself in a situation you may regret! If you go to his house, he’s home free?
Janice B.
Janice B.
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Their destiny wasn’t so they could be aborted like some stupid and ignorant people posted here! Also, men do have a right to speak of abortion, and to make choices, since they are the ones who got us pregnant! It takes two to tango!
Phillip Howel
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When life begins is not unknown, it is settled science.The common tactic of pro-aborts is to ignore science and obfuscate this scientific fact: A new, unique human being is created at conception as explained in the following authored by Maureen L. Condic , Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Anatomy at the University of Utah School of Medicine and published October, 2008 by The Westchester Institute For Ethics & the Human Person.
“Resolving the question of when human life begins is critical for advancing a reasoned public policy debate over abortion and human embryo research. This article considers the current scientific evidence in human embryology and addresses two central questions concerning the beginning of life: 1) in the course of sperm-egg interaction, when is a new cell formed that is distinct from either sperm or egg? and 2) is this new cell a new human organism—i.e., a new human being? Based on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic development. The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined ‘moment of conception’. This conclusion is objective, consistent with the factual evidence, and independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life.”
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Readers, it is scientifically accurate to say the term zygote, like infant, toddler, child, teen, adult, senior describe a stage of life. Regardless of our ability to care for our self or do critical tasks we are a human being at the moment of conception. Abortion has one purpose: End that new human life and then remove her remains from her mother’s womb for disposal with other dead people.
The anecdotal story told by “female UNM student” presents a picture of pro-life people who do not care about the mom-to-be, just the unborn baby. A visit to the help centers and the information in this story tell a very different story.““They offer pretty much anything,” “You ask them for help and they help out in every way” is the experience of Marlene Sandoval who is quoted in this story.
Pro-aborts used to say “it’s not a baby, just a bunch of cells” until that lie was exposed. To justify their support of killing a baby they now lie about the people who are pro-life. Adoption does happen- more would occur if it were not so difficult- our tax dollars pay for education and health care is readily available at UNMMC for the mom-to-be and her baby.
mouthyb
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I just want to thank the reporters for bring this issue to the eye of the public. When a woman finds out she is pregnant, it is frequently not a pleasant surprise to her. Because we live in the culture that we do, women cannot always count on the financial or physical support of the father, and the timing on the pregnancy may be very poor (the woman is in school.) Finding out that you are pregnant can be very frightening or disturbing for a woman, so much so that it makes you very anxious and it can leave you emotionally vulnerable to manipulation and coercion.
That’s exactly what CareNet and places like this do, when they advertise help but withhold it unless the woman sits through a humiliating and denigrating lecture based on the religious bias of a place masquerading as ‘help.’ Those kinds of places prey on women in a vulnerable position, behaving in advertisements and by not revealing that they are religious in bent. Often, the ‘facts’ given to these women about abortion are outright lies and distortion of medicine (like the one about abortions causing breast cancer), all in order to guilt them into sustaining the pregnancy and punish them for not complying with the moral stance of the religion.
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Since many of those places also attempt to guilt women out of using birth control, they set up a situation where women can, if they continue to listen, can be set up for a lifetime of guilt and poor decisions about sexual health and birth control, including problems using condoms and other methods to reduce incidences of STIs. We have miserably bad sex ed here in the US, and especially here in NM. The lack of good sex ed just sets women up to make mistakes again and again, out of a combination of lack of knowledge and guilt/promiscuity cycles.
It is not realistic to expect people to abstain until they find the perfect other person. It ain’t gonna happen.
There were a series of articles last year about the other, nastier side of many pro-life places. Turns out many of them were fronting as adoption mills, pressuring women into keeping their pregnancies and then pressuring them into giving the babies up. If you google ‘crisis pregnancy centers’ and ‘coerced adoptions,’ you’ll find a double handful of news stories on women who were coerced into illegal adoptions by religious crisis pregnancy centers. I believe, if I remember correctly, that there are several lawsuits in progress as a result of the kind of practices those places used on women.
‘Caring’ practices, including cult-style brainwashing. Frankly, I think you can’t warn women enough about those places—they aren’t telling women the agenda up front for a reason. What they’re doing is unethical at best, and occasionally, as those news stories bear out (the Nation has a great one entitled ‘shotgun adoption’), they engage in illegal activities.
It’s all about saving the babies, at least until they’re born. And don’t confuse these people for caring about the mothers. If they did, they’d be up front about their agenda and they would not oppose birth control, which could save women from dying of STIs like the cervical cancer you can get from HPV, or AIDS.
Pro-Choice Human
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6 billion people on the planet. How many of those people are economically stable? How many of those people are provided for by their governments? How many are happy?
In some cases the need for more (insert religion here)s is completely fueled by economics. The more members, the more donations, the more stable the church or religion. Many religions do a lot of good, most are close to what they were meant to be, but some do exploit and deceive. There are very rarely hard and fast lines in this life.
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I have personally seen what a mom (who should not be) can do to a child who is not wanted or cared for properly. I’ve even tried to intervene, as much heartache as that can cause, it’s an innocent.
From my very diverse and liberal perspective, most of the protesters I’ve seen at PP, and other places are older folks, perhaps looking back on their lives and hoping to atone? Someone made the comment that women who “have had one” are often Pro-Life. That is a rash generalization and not true.
What is this? other than a battle for the minds of people who cannot decide for themselves? It’s about the child. Life will never get better for the masses until we start taking much better care of the ones already here. Quit wasting resources trying to convince people that they are wrong. Deal with what is wrong. Kids all over the world starve to death, on a regular basis.
As for all the “what ifs?” What if the abortion taking place right now is the anti-christ? ehhh…I respect your right for an opinion, but will fight tooth and nail for mine. Fortunately mine is regarded as The Law.
Isabel
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If you don’t agree with abortion, don’t have one, but abortion has to be legal. Guess what the number one reason was for women to visit emergency rooms before Roe v. Wade? It was botched abortions. Such abortions were performed by women who made a living doing them out of their homes, men who convinced desperate women they were doctors, and even the women themselves using a coat hanger or whatever else they could puncture themselves with in order to hopefully terminate a pregnancy. Women often died from infections and other complications associated with botched abortions.
The main issue surrounding abortion is not a dead baby or God’s wrath. It is women’s health, which we must protect.
docsavage
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“Probing” is a centuries-old abortion technique. If you think it’s sickass, just wait till your sister does it because she can’t get a decent abortion.
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