New Mexico Daily Lobo
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Current Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:39:11 -0700
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Activist groups: No funds for Israel
A group of students at UNM is following the University of California Berkeley’s trend by starting a “Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions” campaign against Israel.
This means the removal of school funds from groups that make a profit in Israel, said Nada Noor, a spokeswoman for UNM’s Coalition for Peace and Justice in the Middle East.
“Our aim is not to target Israel for the sake of targeting Israel but rather target companies engaging in and profiting from illegal, destructive and inhumane behavior,” she said. “Unfortunately, this will take a lot more than a Google search to locate.”
UC Berkeley and UC San Diego students recently brought motions to their student senates, but both were ultimately shot down, Noor said.
“A senate vote in favor of a divestment resolution would be nice, but a silent vote in favor is less significant than a prolonged debate. If you think about it, that’s why UC Berkeley’s campaign was still a great success,” she said.
The group is working to investigate which companies that have contracts with UNM are profiting from illegal activities in Israel, Noor said. She said the wave of student movements from the campaign is similar to student movements against the South African apartheid.
“As we know, the BDS campaigns against South Africa’s apartheid system began with students at universities around the country,” she said.
Donald Gluck, president of the Israel Alliance at UNM, said he thinks protests that are aimed against Israel, such as movements for BDS, are inherently racist.
“What bothers us is it doesn’t seem like Israel behaves worse than other countries,” he said. “If Israel behaves just as well as Somalia, or better than them, how come they come down on Israel? Because Jews are there.”
Noor said her group is working for BDS against other countries that have committed human rights abuses.
“Other issues members are serious about include divestment from ongoing human rights violations in Sudan and China,” she said. “This should be applied to this particular issue as well as other human rights and environmental issues.”
Israel Alliance spokeswoman Lynn Provencio said a BDS campaign could end up hurting the people it’s trying to help.
“We think this is a bad deal from several directions. (The Palestinian) economy relies on the Israeli economy quite a bit, so if you harm Israel’s economy you’re not doing Palestine any good,” she said. “This isn’t a movement aimed at helping the Arabs. It’s aimed at hurting Israel.”
Marc Prowisor, who spoke at UNM last week and works with security projects in Israel, said the BDS movement is likely to hurt Palestinian residents of Israel.
“I think it’s ridiculous. … The more companies that are hurt, the people really getting hurt are the Arab residents,” he said. “People just don’t realize the reality there, because they don’t live it.”
The best solution to any conflict in Israel is “to understand the full dynamics. I’ve always gotten along with my Arab neighbors,” Prowisor said.
“There’s so many different parties involved. It’s classic Middle East. There are parties that want to live in peace, and there are parties that simply don’t,” he said. “People prefer war to peace. It’s more profitable, I guess.”
The campaign won’t have any serious effect on Israel’s economy, Noor said.
“The goal of BDS was never to change Israel’s behavior or policies,” she said. “In fact, even a decent BDS campaign is unlikely to exert any economic pressure on Israel at all.”
That doesn’t mean the campaign is worthless, Noor said, because it still gets people to talk about the issue.
“It sheds light on the direct relationship we have with the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and the effects their conditions (have) on ours. The issue seems far too distant in mainstream media,” she said.
Noor said her group is also working for “Socially Responsible Investing.”
“SRI is about more than divesting from the bad; it is also about investing in the good and improving current investments,” she said.
“Socially Responsible Investing (means) taking responsibility for our direct and indirect actions.”



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Sam
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Why is it that whenever someone criticizes israel that is automatically turned into a racist or antisemetic matter. Israel and not jews are and have caused great harm to the palastenians ! Yes the palastenians have faught back and cause harm, but whats a rock against an f-15 or battle tank. I think isreal needs to admit to what it had done and palastenians need to try to live in peace with israelies. please take judaism out of the equation, it has nothing to so with it as im sure many jews will tell you that.
Boycott Israeli Apartheid & War
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The divestment movement is spreading fast:
http://dearbornboycottsisrael.blogspot.com/
slowhike
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“Our aim is not to target Israel” but we’re boycotting Israel and professing support for divestment in Israel holdings. Sounds a bit incongruent at first glance, why not boycott Pakistan or Egypt where terrorist come from. Why is it fashionable to boycott Israel. Are we back on the “poor Palestinians” chant again?
Bob
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Well sure, who better than Berkley and UNM students to determine what’s best for Israel and Palestinians. Of course these students know best.
Join End of the Year Jew Bash!
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Andrew Beale’s last hurrah? He’ll surely be welcome at any nearly bankrupt leftist newspaper and newspapers like the Alibi which is ten times bigger than the Daily Lobo with both taking thirty seconds to read which means the advertisers, who fund this crap, aren’t even noticed in the thumbthrough!
Beale tried to balance his leftist tilt by having Gluck and Provencio comments but who gave him this assignment or is he free to pick his own which we all know are on far-left!
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End of the Year Jew Bash!
Texans for Israel
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Before you boycott Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c
We at Texans for Israel would like to help interested students boycott Israel properly.
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First, you need to get rid of your laptop. The Intel chip that allows it to run was developed in Israel. If you are really bent on taking down the awful war machine that happens to have the most museums per capita in the world, you must power down immediately. If you happen to have a PC, make sure it does not run a Windows operating system, because the three most recent were developed by Microsoft Israel.
If you are forced to use your computer, make sure you do not use AOL Instant Messenger, Gmail chat or any other instant-messaging system. The patents for these systems were developed in Israel, and we wouldn’t want to support that under any circumstances.
Next to go should be your cell phone. The first cell phones were developed in Israel, and it would be a tragedy if we made this a boycott of convenience. If we are really committed to bringing down the nation that produces more scientific papers per capita than any other country, we can’t be brought down by our imperialistic cell phones.
If you are concerned about the environment, boycotting Israel could be difficult. Many solar power plants use technology that was invented by Israelis, and many of them were even installed by these terrible people. On the upside, the increased fossil fuels you will use will support freedom fighters such as Hamas and al-Qaida who are dedicated to bringing down the evil country that has the most Ph.D.s per capita.
If you are a farmer, particularly in dry areas of Texas, do not use drip irrigation on your fields. This method of irrigation that saves thousands of gallons of water per year was developed in Israel.
If you go to a hospital, you are going to have to take many special precautions to ensure that you are not aiding Israel. If you have a gastrointestinal disease, make sure that the doctors do not use a “pill cam” to diagnose you, as these were developed in Israel. If you are going to be screened for breast cancer, make sure you request a method that uses plenty of radiation. The radiation-free scanning method was developed in Israel, and exposure to radiation is a small price to pay to take down the Jewish state.
If you are involved in any human rights issues on campus, boycotting Israel will be very difficult. Israel has the best women’s rights record in the Middle East and is the only country in the region in which gay marriages are recognized. Also, Israel is the only country in the region that offers asylum to Darfur refugees.
So there you have it. You are now armed with all the necessary information to destroy the country that has given us Bar Refaeli, Natalie Portman and voicemail. Good luck!
Alan Dershowitz
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Every year at about this time, radical Islamic students—aided by radical anti-Israel professors—hold an event they call “Israel Apartheid Week.” During this week, they try to persuade students on campuses around the world to demonize Israel as an apartheid regime. Most students seem to ignore the rantings of these extremists, but some naïve students seem to take them seriously. Some pro-Israel and Jewish students claim that they are intimidated when they try to respond to these untruths. As one who strongly opposes any censorship, my solution is to fight bad speech with good speech, lies with truth and educational malpractice with real education.
Accordingly, I support a “Middle East Apartheid Education Week” to be held at universities throughout the world. It would be based on the universally accepted human rights principle of “the worst first.” In other words, the worst forms of apartheid being practiced by Middle East nations and entities would be studied and exposed first. Then the apartheid practices of other countries would be studied in order of their seriousness and impact on vulnerable minorities.
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Under this principle, the first country studied would be Saudi Arabia. That tyrannical kingdom practices gender apartheid to an extreme, relegating women to an extremely low status. Indeed, a prominent Saudi Imam recently issued a fatwa declaring that anyone who advocates women working alongside men or otherwise compromises with absolute gender apartheid is subject to execution. The Saudis also practice apartheid based on sexual orientation, executing and imprisoning gay and lesbian Saudis. Finally, Saudi Arabia openly practices religious apartheid. It has special roads for “Muslims only.” It discriminates against Christians, refusing them the right to practice their religion openly. And needless to say, it doesn’t allow Jews the right to live in Saudi Arabia, to own property or even (with limited exceptions) to enter the country. Now that’s apartheid with a vengeance.
The second entity on any apartheid list would be Hamas, which is the de facto government of the Gaza Strip. Hamas too discriminates openly against women, gays, Christians. It permits no dissent, no free speech, and no freedom of religion.
Every single Middle East country practices these forms of apartheid to one degree or another. Consider the most “liberal” and pro-American nation in the area, namely Jordan. The Kingdom of Jordan, which the King himself admits is not a democracy, has a law on its books forbidding Jews from becoming citizens or owning land. Despite the efforts of its progressive Queen, women are still de facto subordinate in virtually all aspects of Jordanian life.
Iran, of course, practices no discrimination against gays, because its President has assured us that there are no gays in Iran. In Pakistan, Sikhs have been executed for refusing to convert to Islam, and throughout the Middle East, honor killings of women are practiced, often with a wink and a nod from the religious and secular authorities.
Every Muslim country in the Middle East has a single, established religion, namely Islam, and makes no pretense of affording religious equality to members of other faiths. That is a brief review of some, but certainly not all, apartheid practices in the Middle East.
Now let’s turn to Israel. The secular Jewish state of Israel recognizes fully the rights of Christians and Muslims and prohibits any discrimination based on religion (except against Conservative and Reform Jews, but that’s another story!) Muslim and Christian citizens of Israel (of which there are more than a million) have the right to vote and have elected members of the Knesset, some of whom even oppose Israel’s right to exist. There is an Arab member of the Supreme Court, an Arab member of the Cabinet and numerous Israeli Arabs in important positions in businesses, universities and the cultural life of the nation. A couple of years ago I attended a concert at the Jerusalem YMCA at which Daniel Barrenboim conducted a mixed orchestra of Israeli and Palestinian musicians. There was a mixed audience of Israelis and Palestinians, and the man sitting next to me was an Israeli Arab, who is the culture minister of the State of Israel. Can anyone imagine that kind of concert having taking place in apartheid South Africa, or in apartheid Saudi Arabia?
There is complete freedom of dissent in Israel and it is practiced vigorously by Muslims, Christians and Jews alike. And Israel is a vibrant democracy.
What is true of Israel proper, including Israeli Arab areas, is not true of the occupied territories. Israel ended its occupation of the Gaza several years ago, only to be attacked by Hamas rockets. Israel maintains its occupation of the West Bank only because the Palestinians walked away from a generous offer of statehood on 97% of the West Bank, with its capital in Jerusalem and with a $35 billion compensation package for refugees. Had it accepted that offer by President Bill Clinton and Prime Minister Ehud Barak, there would be a Palestinian state in the West Bank. There would be no separation barrier. There would be no roads restricted to Israeli citizens (Jews, Arabs and Christians.) And there would be no civilian settlements. I have long opposed civilian settlements in the West Bank, as many, perhaps most Israelis, do. But to call an occupation, which continues because of the refusal of the Palestinians to accept the two-state solution, “Apartheid” is to misuse that word. As those of us who fought in the actual struggle of apartheid well understand, there is no comparison between what happened in South Africa and what is now taking place on the West Bank. As Congressman John Conyors, who helped found the congressional Black caucus, well put it:
“[Applying the word “Apartheid” to Israel] does not serve the cause of peace, and the use of it against the Jewish people in particular, who have been victims of the worst kind of discrimination, discrimination resulting in death, is offensive and wrong.”
The current “Israel Apartheid Week” on universities around the world, by focusing only on the imperfections of the Middle East’s sole democracy, is carefully designed to cover up far more serious problems of real apartheid in Arab and Muslim nations. The question is why do so many students identify with regimes that denigrate women, gays, non-Muslims, dissenters, environmentalists and human rights advocates, while demonizing a democratic regime that grants equal rights to women (the chief justice and speaker of the Parliament of Israel are women), gays (there are openly gay generals in the Israeli Army), non-Jews (Muslims and Christians serve in high positions in Israel) and dissenters, (virtually all Israelis dissent about something). Israel has the best environmental record in the Middle East, it exports more life saving medical technology than any country in the region and it has sacrificed more for peace than any country in the Middle East. Yet on many college campuses democratic, egalitarian Israel is a pariah, while sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, terrorist Hamas is a champion. There is something very wrong with this picture.
Anti-apartheid
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There is blatant apartheid in the Middle East.
Claims of “Israeli Apartheid” ignore that while Israel has 20% Arab Muslim citizens with equal rights and opportunities, Arabs demand ethnic cleansing of all Jews from Judea, which they eventually hope to govern. And they condemn to death anyone selling or renting to Jews.
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How can charges of ethnic cleansing and apartheid by Israel be reconciled with a growing population of Arab-Israelis? Conversely, the numbers of minorities has steadily fallen in areas governed by the Palestinian Authority.
Israel has Arab citizens in the government, judges, army, police, business, arts, academia, and all sectors of society. Education and medical care are available to everyone and freedom of religion is a government policy. Arabic is an official language along with Hebrew and the number of all religious minorities is increasing.
I agree that Apartheid exists. Islamo-supremacist Apartheid has been suppressing the religion and culture of Jews, Berbers, Christians, Kurds, and others across the Middle East and North Africa since the onset of Arab invasions and colonization.
Read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @ http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
Today, Jordanian-Arabs of The Palestinian Authority demand that no Jewish communities be allowed wherever they hope to govern (aka, removal of “settlements”); and Egyptian-Arabs in Hamastan have ethnically cleansed Gaza of every ethnic Jew. It would appear that people demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these disputed territories envision one country (Israel) where Jews, Muslims and others may live as equals and another (Palestine) where Jews are verboten. If that isn’t Islamo-supremacist Apartheid, I don’t know what is.
Victims of Arab propaganda have proven Joseph Goebbels right- if lies are repeated often enough, then people will come to believe them.
Famagusta
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Return Muslim-occupied Cyprus and the Hostage Ghost City of Famagusta (home of the desecrated St. Nicholas Cathedral)— then victimhood cultists can howl about the alleged “rights” of Muslim invaders to other lands (from the Phillipines to Morroco) from which apartheid Islamo-supremacists extirpated native populations through genocide.
VIDEO: Famagusta, The Hostage Ghost City of Europe @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfBJ7DimB8
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Those interested in exploring the history of apartheid Islamo-supremacism in a more scholarly manner may read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
St. Nicholas called— he’d like his cathedral back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas_Cathedral_Of_Cyprus
Anti-idiotarian
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Sam slings lies and smears. Tiny Israel has the most advanced regional military for a reason— her Arab enemies have waged ceaseless jihads on her since her founding. The LIE that Arabs have only “stones” is absurd on its face. Arabs rain thousands of mortars and rockets annually on Israeli cities while conducting brutal terrorist attacks on her civilians. Pretending otherwise conflates the terrorist aggressors (jihadists) and their state-sponsors (OIC) with the peacekeepers (IDF) and their allies (America).
Don’t be a Hamas-hugger your whole life, Sam.
Israeli Apartheid like Slavery
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Why NOT single out a very cruel occupation for divestment?
Apartheid South Africa was singled out, boycotted, and abolished. Good!
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Israel is the last apartheid state, and it deserves the same.
Did you notice the 1,400 Gazans massacred by Israel a year ago?
Honest Reporting
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As Dershowitz and many others have noted, there are many truly apartheid states in the Middle East. Israel is not among them.
Israeli citizens are white, black and everything in between; they include Arabs and Jews; Muslims, Christians, agnostics and atheists; they are Kurdish, Ethiopian, Russian, Polish, Iraqi, Yemenite and more. And every Israeli citizen can vote, participate in political life, and share beaches, bars and park benches.
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As philosophy professor Bernard Harrison notes, “Israel is in fact, for better or worse, almost a textbook example of a multicultural society.”
And that truth by itself exposes claims about supposed “Israeli Apartheid” as laughable and a big lie.
The Buddha
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Return occupied Constantinople and the sacred Hagia Sophia (Christendom’s 2nd most holy cathedral)— then victimhood cultists can howl about the alleged “rights” of Muslim invaders to other lands (from the Phillipines to Morroco) from which apartheid Islamo-supremacists extirpated native populations through genocide.
Those interested in exploring the history of apartheid Islamo-supremacism in a more scholarly manner may read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
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The Buddha called— he’d like his Bamiyan monuments back.
Tyler
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Yeah! Screw the Jews! They killed Jesus!
Richard M. Berthold
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What, does Dershowitz mointor campus newspapers aroung the country? Well, I guess the divestment movement is having some impact, since even at UNM it seems to have fired up the Israel First, America Second, To Hell with Facts, You Jew-Hater Coalition. How long before Americans understand that the state of Israel cares about absolutely nothing, including non-Israeli Jews, except its own (nonsensical) Biblical-based claim to all Palestine? Hell, they now control the largest KZ-Lager (concentration camp) in history: Gaza. But wadda ya gonna do? Congress, especially politicians like Joe Lieberman, Jane Harman and Ileana Ross-Lehtinen, would support the Third Israeli Reich even if they attacked the US, which they in fact have.
Slowhike
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It’s a good thing that they Jew-Haters have the small little band of Paletinians in Gaza strip. Because Israel is entirely dwarfed by any of the Arab countries. Yes Israel is about as big as a knat on my ass compared to the surrounding Arab countries. Those big ol petrol rich countries have been such nice neighbors to Israel too. Helping them with population control and teaching them how to build their houses underground so the bombs tha Hamas tosses don’t kill anyone.
It appears that the Arab countries are thoroughly ashamed at how much more advanced teeny tiny Israel is ( and Israel doesn’t even have any oil, WTF!) than any of the surrounding Arab countries.
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Plus you know if Richard Berthold (Mr. Comedian with all the friends at the Pentagon)is against Israel, heck it must be a good country.
Matt 23:24
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@Berthold: Gaza inhabitants of Hamas are Egyptian-Arabs and are ethnically distinct from Jordanian-Arabs of Fatah. If every Israeli disappeared tomorrow (in Hamas’ wet dream), do wacademic Israel-bashers imagine those rival tribes wouldn’t return to slaughtering each other?
But while Jordanian-Arabs only aspire to render Judea (the so-called “West Bank”) completely Judenfrei, only the Islamo-fascists of Apartheid Gaza have rendered Gaza 100% Judenfrei— a fact unacknowledged by Leftist-fascists committed to destroying multi-cultural, democratic Israel.
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There isn’t a single Jew remaining in Hamas-controlled Gaza. By what twisted logic does Israel “control” Gaza, professor?
Don’t be an ethnic-cleansing Hamas apologist your whole life, Berthold.
“Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.” [Matt 23:24]
Good St. Nick
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Since the Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing of Greek Cyprus began in 1974:
at least 55 Greek churches have been converted into mosques
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another 50 Greek churches and monasteries have been converted into stables, stores, hostels, museums, or have been demolished
the cemeteries of at least 25 Greek villages have been desecrated and destroyed
innumerable icons, religious artifacts and all kinds of archaeological treasures have been stolen and smuggled abroad
illegal excavations and smuggling of antiquities is openly taking place all the time with the involvement of the occupying forces
all Greek place names contrary to all historical and cultural reason were converted into Turkish ones.
Why doesn’t Professor of Classical History, Richard M. Berthold, howl about the cultural rape and occupation of northern Cyprus? Precisely antiquities have been pillaged; Greeks have been driven out of their homes; ancient churches have been converted into mosques; and the thriving resort of Famagusta transformed into a ghost town. Nobody cares. Instead, academia obsesses over the trumped-up plight of “Palestinians”— an invented nationality, committed to eradicating a sovereign state in the name of Islamo-supremacism.
VIDEO: Famagusta, The Hostage Ghost City of Europe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfBJ7DimB8
Anti-idiotarian
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[Berthold sneered: “Biblical-based claim to all Palestine?”]
As a Professor of Classical History, Berthold clearly isn’t academically qualified to speak to Israel’s historic claims to their homeland. But (of course) they are not solely “Biblical-based” [sic] claims. Historical, cultural and archaological evidence all reinforce Israeli claims to their Jewish homeland.
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But Berthold here is demonstrably ignorant of such things and should know better than to embarrass himself by bloviating publicly and proving it.
connor
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@ MATT 23:24: how would you like to live in a prison? being outraged at the fact that there are no jews living in the gaza strip is like bitching that no non-criminals are allowed in prisons. the power in the gaza strip is routinely cut off, there is no way to leave unless you have a permit from the israeli government, running water is scarce and lack of food is often a problem. sound like some where you want to live?
People in gaza are there because they don’t have any other choice. and yes, the majority of hamas members are crazy fucks. but don’t forget that the majority of zionist settlers are also crazy fucks, and mostly american or canadian by birth. fact is that the zionists don’t want peace, and neither do hamas, fatah, hezbolah etc.
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which brings up another point: most of the israelis killed by the palestinians are settlers. that means that they are occupying stolen land. and how are they killed? with rockets that more resemble hand grenades in explosive capacity. and the israeli response? drop bombs from f-16’s, and drive tanks into refugee camps. its a little asymmetric. this probably wouldn’t be a problem if the palestinians weren’t going to be a vast majority of the population within 20 years. what does that mean?
When the palestinians become majority population, israelis will have three choices: 1. dismantle the settlements, and come to a two state solution, 2. incorporate the palestinian population and risk ceding power to a palestinian government that won’t really give a shit about jewish interests, and may even act against the jewish residents of israel; or 3. become an apartheid state in which a minority jewish population will rule over a majority palestinian population.
As we have seen in the past, the jews are pretty unwilling to dismantle the settlements as the zionist faction holds sway in the knesset, that probably wont happen. after kicking the shit out of the palestinians for 50 years, the jews will be skeptical of handing a government over to the palestinians (as they should be). so, the likely outcome will be that israel will become another apartheid state. not surprising seeing as the israelis don’t treat palestinians that well now.
the interesting thing will be to see if you who are so blindly in favor of supporting one militant israeli faction (zionist settlers) will be so supportive of that state when it becomes the next south africa.
the link is to a story in ‘the guardian’ about settlement funding through charity organizations in the US, and the goals of those organizations. it may interest you, but feel free to not read it and simply argue ‘principles’ ‘feelings’ and ‘morals’.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/dec/08/us-settlers-hebron-fund-israeli
Berthold cobweb for brains!
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“would support the Third Israeli Reich even if they attacked the US, which they in fact have.” On top of his Pentagon comment that gave him his fifteen seconds of fame, his above comment seems to suggest that he agrees with the 9-11 Truthers that say Israel had advance knowledge of the attack and that is the reason Israeli’s didn’t show up to work that day.
If this isn’t it COBWEB FOR BRAINS, what are you talking about? I’m also surprised to see that COBWEB is reading the Lobo and probably has been posting here under some great name.
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“Did you notice the 1,400 Gazans massacred by Israel a year ago?” How many did Egypt massacre or jail or leave to rot in the arms smuggling tunnels? How many Gazans were killed by their own? Did any of those Gazans pour gasoline on their fellow Gazans and set on fire to be burned alive and all in public?
Berthold, quit drinking your bong water!
Richard M. Berthold
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None of the very thoughtful critics of my comments mention: 1)Israel controls all access by land, sea and air into Gaza – how is that not control, esp. when Israel is refusing to allow virtually anything into this devastated region? 2) The behavior of the Arab countries (of which I have a poor opinion) and Islam (of which I have a very poor opinion) has nothing to do with the behavior of Israel; 3)The Arab world is ZERO threat to Israel, which has not only the most powerful military in the entire region (so long as Sam keeps up the supplies) but also the only nuclear weapons – even is 1948 the OSS predicted the Jews would have no problem defeating the Arabs (I really don’t see what geographical size has to do with anything in 21st century combat); 4)(why don’t I complain about e.g. Cyrprus)Israeli actions are supported by my country and taxes; 5)since when does prior habitation entitle one to a state there a couple of millennia later? 5)(my ignorance of preclassical history) ISRAELI archaeologists are increasingly dubious of the extent of the territorial and historical claims found in the “history” recorded from Joshua to Chronicles and are even beginning to doubt the exodus – they must be self-loathing Jews. It is clear that there are many ignorant people at UNM, though I freely admit that even some very intelligent people can be utterly dopey when it comes to Israel. I suggest you all read some history, both ancient and contemporary. Damn, I forgot, an Israeli rabbi has just published a very popular book on Hebrew law, stating that it is legal and right for Jews to kill non-Jews, even women and children, if they are perceived as a threat. Guess my number is up.
Richard M. Berthold
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Dispite my disgust for Israel I am not looney enough to connect the Israelis with 9/ll, though it certainly served their interests in the long run. During the 1967 war Israeli planes knowingly (some of the pilots have since admitted it) attack the USS Liberty, killing 34 US sailors, many in life rafts; US fighters in the Med were scrambled, but recalled by LBF, who did not want to embarrass Israel. And why am I bothering to argue with idiots, the most insulting of which does not even leave a name?
Israeli massacre of Gaza
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The Israeli massacre of Gaza was enough.
Boycott.
Divest.
Anti-idiotarian
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[Berthold confesses: “ignorance of preclassical history”]
Kindly exercise the academic discipline to cite your sources of “ISRAELI archaelogists” who “doubt the exodus”, professors. There is no way to scrutinize your specious claims (masquerading as evidence) without a modicum of rigor.
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Even a professor of “classical history” should be capable of drawing distinctions (not blurring them) between archaelogical, cultural and historical evidence.
Berthold makes clear that there is at least one ignorant person at UNM. At least act like you’re part of an academic community, professor.
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