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Zapatista communities offer unique perspective
By the time you come back from Oventic, your back will ache to sleep on a real bed, instead of a board. You will be covered in mud and your skin will itch for a hot shower. It’s likely you will be dying to get out of the rain and the cold, especially if you´re a New Mexico desert rat. And you will be a better person for it.
This is why I recommend Oventic as the place to study Spanish this summer.
Oventic is an autonomous Zapatista community (known as caracoles) in Chiapas, Mexico. The Zapatista rebellion began in 1994, when masked rebels took over several cities in Chiapas, and issued a list of demands, including techos (roofs or places to live,) tierra (land of their own) and libertad (you should know what that means; we live in New Mexico, after all.)
In 2003, the Zapatistas created five caracoles in Chiapas, which function completely separately from government interference. Everything in Oventic, which is very impressive by the way, was built by the people living there —– all the infrastructure was created without government aid. The caracoles have their own schools, their own medical clinics, their own governments, and their own police, who will have to clear you before you can enter the area.
In order to enter Oventic, you will have to solicit the Red de Solidaridad con Mexico, or Mexico Solidarity Network, to give you a recommendation to enter the area. This can be done through their its website, which you can find with a simple Google search. You will then print out your recommendation and head to San Cristobal de Las Casas, a tourist city about an hour from Oventic. From there you will take a van for 20 pesos to Oventic.
At the gate you will be greeted by guards wearing pasamontañas, the style of mask preferred by Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos. This is done to protect their identity from government spies, who do exist in this area.
You will present your recommendation and your passport, which they will take, but don’t worry —– you get the passport back. The guards will ask you a series of questions. Then you will wait outside the gates to see the Junta.
Entering the gates is a strange, exciting feeling —– it’s like crossing a border to a country you’ve never visited. Very cool.
The Junta de Buen Gobierno representatives, also wearing pasamontañas, will ask you the same questions again, presumably to verify you have the same answers, and are not just making up tonterías from thin air.
When they pass you, you begin the school. It is important to note at this point that, as far as I could tell, there was not a single Zapatista in Oventic that spoke English. For most of the people there, Spanish is their second language, after Tzotzil, so it’s kind of a lot to ask that they learn English too, ¿no? All of this is to say that you will have to know a little Spanish to speak to the guards and the Junta.
Spanish classes at Oventic are not like Spanish classes at UNM. You will not spend time memorizing irregular verb conjugations in the Subjuntivo form (although there is a dog that lives there named Subjuntivo, if that’s worth anything.) Instead, your classes will be conducted in Spanish, but cover a broad range of subjects from politics to history to philosophy to Tzotzil culture.
The political teachings, as well, are very different from political science classes at our humble university.
The Zapatista caracoles function on a very sophisticated and complex political system that is completely, completely different from anything you learned about in Comparative Politics 220. It is completely democratic —– truly democratic, not this “representative democracy” that we worship. The Junta changes regularly, and every community member gets a turn, if they are able to serve.
And, yes, it is very much un sistema socialista. But you will learn all of this if you choose to experience Oventic for yourself.
The price per week to stay there is about $160, including three meals Monday – Friday. On weekends you can eat at the comedor for about $1.50 a meal. Your sleeping arrangements, as I mentioned, involve boards, and you will stay in a dormitory. It may be useful to bring your own sleeping bag, although they provided me one when I was there.
And be open-minded, or you’re not going to get a lot out of the experience. Tzotzil culture is worlds away from our own., Iit is based on ideas of community that the average American cannot begin to wrap his or her head around. And they are very much against our government, as well as the Mexican government. As my teacher told me my first day of class, the most important Spanish phrase to know in Oventic is “¡Pinche capitalismo!”
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For more on the Zapatista movement, and other fascinating things about México, stay tuned to Andrew Beale’s travel blog at dailylobo.com



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Susanna
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When I visited Oventic in the 1990’s, there were Federal soldiers posted along the entrance road, and very few to none of the Mayan residents spoke Spanish. So does this mean only tourists are now being taught Spanish there? What about the
natives?
Andrew Beale
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Susanna – thanks for the question, that´s cool that you visited the place. The school I refer to is the “Centro de Lenguas” which teaches Spanish and Tzotzil to foreigners. The Caracoles have their own school system. Every caracol has a primary school, as far as I know, and Oventic is the only one with a secondary school. These schools teach Spanish, math, history, politics, etc. to the indigenous residents of the Caracoles and are not open to foreigners. The percentage of indigenous residents that speak Castellano has increased a lot since the funding of the caracol system in 2003. And I didn´t see any federal soldiers on the way there, although they maintain a permanent security culture – i.e. nightlong patrols, the Junta wears masks to protect their identity, you can´t take pictures of the people living there, etc. Hope that answers your question.
Anti-neoCom
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These progressive neo-Coms are not merely ignorant (deeply) about the practical realities of economic theory.
Progressives hate wealth, no matter who has it. They know that their RED redistribution programs will impoverish everyone, and that’s their real goal. The problem with wealth (in their twisted view) is that creating it (at the rate Americans do) is “unsustainable.”
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These modern day Luddites insist that technological civilization (especially the industrialized world ) will careen out of control and they (the annointed priesthood) must march us backwards… no many how many of you have to die to fulfill their distopian vision.
The genocidal Aztecs are a perfect metaphor for the brand of human sacrifice these narcisistic monsters hope to inflict upon Chiapas… and elsewhere.
Anti-supremacist
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Increasingly devoid of political support in Chiapas and credibility in Mexico, the blue-eyed, white-skinned, pipe-smoking leader, Sebastian Vicente, of the Zapatista tried to organize Utopia in isolated mountain villages. The result was predictable: rejecting (by force) any aid from Mexico City, the caracoles (groups of villages led by so-called “good government” councils) are now much worse off than they were before the progressives took over decades ago.
In Oventic, a large Zapatista-controlled area, there are pitifully few doctors or teachers, which has led former supporters to migrate into government-controlled (and abundantly subsidized) areas. That leaves the “good government” councils with only their “brotherly” tax levied on all foreign-funded projects in the region, which pays for a Che Guevara cafeteria/cooperative, a ridiculous Women-for-Dignity folk art store, and (of course) guns.
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The Mexican government is acting subtly in Chiapas. It has decided to let the Zapatistas die a natural death. No open crackdown, but support for mass defections and paramilitary groups reacting to Zapatista repression, social and economic investments in Chiapas, and public silence. PRI is now regularly winning elections in Chiapas, Marcos is regularly ignored and, since his offer of support for the murderous ETA terrorist group in Spain (which was ridiculed by Spanish judge Garzon and rejected even by ETA), spiraling toward obscurity.
Meanwhile, the victims of Marcos’ attempts at Utopia are becoming poorer and poorer in Mexico’s poorest state. Thus, the world’s first “virtual insurgency” has ended where all things virtual do when confronted with real life: in an increasingly remote corner of our memory. And that is where it should remain.
Useful idiots (like Beale) who prop up these Marxist goons are participating in the immoral repression of indigenous people.
Shame on the Daily Lobo for serving as accomplices to Marxist monsters— like blue-eyed, white-skinned, pipe-smoking leader, Sebastian Vicente (a.k.a. “Subcomandante Marcos”)— the racial supremacist heartthrob of “progressive” Americans.
slowhike
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We benefit from seeing the interpretation of Beale on his trip to the fourth-world country within a third-world country. An interpretation of his view-points will tell you much about the individual and his way of perceiving the world.
“you will be greeted by men wearing masks to protect their identity from governmen spies” this statement is very telling, and Beale indicates his acceptance for masked guards over government officials- he obviously thinks the masked men “know best”. This reveals an immature childish perception of the world and how society works.
The teachings are different from those at our humble university (UNM). Thi reveals that a distinction is being made by Beale that underlies his affinity for straight-forward approaches and his subconscious disdain for indirect and subversive agendas. UNM is anything but humble, and the typical Hispanic over White subversive agenda is always present. In the Zapatista community he experienced a more direct approach which he appreciated, although he may not fully understand why.
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And finally his appreciation of the “villiage mentality” is quite interesting, and he believes that it is some foreign or difficult concept. We see that mentality alive and well in some of the Hispanics in Albuquerque. It’s not magic, and it has both pros and cons as does everything else.
Overall Beale, it’s nice you were able to “go home” for your vacation; however your limited view points are incomplete at best.
Andrew Beale
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Okay, we’re not supposed to comment on our own articles, and this is the second time for this one article, but the first time Susanna raised a legitimate question, and now I feel I have a right to defend myself when someone calls me an idiot (albeit a “useful idiot” – thanks for the kind modifier, by the way.)
Anti-supremacist, I am now going to deconstruct your argument point by point.
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First: there is no evidence, other than the government’s word, that Rafael Sebastián Guillén Vicente is actually Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos. Next, the Zapatistas never rejected government aid by force. They simply don’t accept it. People living in the region are free to accept government aid, but those that do are not considered Zapatistas. Zapatista communities have lower rates of alcoholism, infant mortality, school dropout, etc. and less people leave them to migrate to the city (or the U.S. – so you should probably support their policies, no?) This is according to the Mexican government’s own National Institute of Statistics and Geography, a group that would seem to have every reason to try to discredit the Zapatistas, since they’re funded by the government.
It’s true that there are pitifully few doctors, but that’s a regional characteristic. It’s due to the fact that rural communities in Chiapas do not really make money (which, of course, is needed to pay doctors in a capitalist system,) but instead rely on growing food to feed themselves. This has become more difficult since the government redacted article 27 of the Mexican constitution, guaranteeing people the right to own their own land, which sparked a flow of immigration to the U.S. and was one of the causes of the Zapatista rebellion. This redaction was done as a necessary step in the passage of NAFTA.
It could certainly be construed as a problem that the government takes a tax on foreign contributions, but the stores that you refer to support themselves. The fact that you call the women’s clothing store a vendor of “ridiculous folk art” reveals your racist, arrogant worldview: these “ridiculous” crafts are indigenous weaving techniques that have been practiced for centuries.
This so-called “government supported natural death” is anything but natural. You yourself admit to the existence of paramilitary groups. What, exactly is the definition of a paramilitary group? It’s a government-supported, government-armed group that acts as a branch of the military. These paramilitary groups announced their arrival in 1997 by murdering 47 unarmed people, including 25 women and 15 children in the city of Acteal. Although the government certainly is in favor of people leaving Zapatista communities, this supposed “mass defection” is not actually happening. Check the INEGI website for the facts on this (you will, of course, have to able to read Spanish.) Furthermore, in the last seven years, the government has opened at least 57 new military installations in Zapatista regions, according to the Chiapas-based Center for Political Analysis and Social and Economic Investigations (CAPISE.) This is not something the government would bother doing if the “virtual insurgency” had, in fact, ended.
The government does not attack them simply because it cannot. After the admittedly violent Zapatist uprising, the government indiscriminately bombed the hell out of the central mountains in Chiapas, but stopped due to overwhelming public support of the Zapatista movement, manifested in mass demonstrations in the nation’s capital.
PRI has won elections in the region because the Zapatistas do not vote. Their attempt at working within the political system failed, as the government refused to honor the Acuerdos de San Andreas. Of course, if you had bothered to check the election results from the July 4 elections, available two days before the date of your post, you would realize that in the regional and city-wide elections held in Chiapas (gubernatorial elections were not held this year,) the majority of those elected were from the UPC.
Marcos’ “support” of the Euskadi Ta Askatasuna was nothing more than an attempt to focus the attention of the world on a problem he saw. He did not declare support of their methods, but instead proposed that the government initiate a reconciliation process. Neither the ETA nor the Spanish government wanted this, and Marcos later admitted that it was a mistake to try to take on a problem so far away that he was not connected to.
As for being ignored, as Marcos said: “The media only reports on us when we kill or are killed, but for now at least, we would like to avoid these kinds of reports.” The caracoles have been functioning successfully, and nonviolently, for nearly seven years now. You may consider them obscure, but the people of Chiapas certainly do not.
Your name and your description of “blue-eyed, white-skinned” Marcos seem to imply that the Zapatistas are a white-supremacist movement. This is completely, absolutely, absurd. The EZLN (of which Marcos is a leader) is a separate branch from the Caracol system. The EZLN does not act without orders from the combined leaders of the Juntas de Buen Gobierno, who represent the caracoles. Every member of the community is expected to serve on the Junta at some point, provided they are able to, and the term limits are extremely short, making the Junta the most “representative” form of democracy in the known world. There are very, very few, if not none at all, white members of the Juntas, as they are drawn from the populations of the zapatista communites, which are of course indigenous peoples.
Your post seems to imply that you have actually visited Oventic, but I would guess that this is not the case. I think it is more likely that you pulled this information from some Neo-conservative blog.
Your idiocy is not even useful, anti-supremacist, and I would suggest dropping the “anti” from your name.
slowhike
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Did you have a point AB, or just can’t keep a lid on it?
Anti-supremacist
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slowhike: AB clearly has no identifiable salient “point.” Rather, he offers apologetics for what AB imagines are “EZLN” positions. Unless AB is a hostage to these racial supremacists (forced to write on behalf of EZLN vigilantees), one can only assume that AB is now an unofficial spokesperson for EZLN— rather than an objective journalist for the Daily Lobo.
It is ironic to learn AB is so naive that he’s insulted by the (clearly accurate) political characterization, “useful idiot.” Historically literate readers recognize the term “useful idiot” as a way to describe a naive person manipulated to produce propaganda for a malign cause. While AB apparently considers himself an ally of the EZLN supremacists. he is likely held in contempt by these racial separatists— and is being cynically used. AB is the very soul of a “useful idiot.”
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Further AB denies that the blue-eyed, white-skinned, pipe-smoking leader, Sebastian Vicente, is (in fact) the racial supremacist goon Marcos. AB then goes on to pretend knowing what motivates the unknown masked avenger. This is beyond delusional.
AB reports [Marcos said: “The media only reports on us when we kill or are killed, but for now at least, we would like to avoid these kinds of reports.”] If this quote is accurately reported, then AB is evidently conspiring with a self-confessed vigilantee murderer.
If the Daily Lobo editors care at all about its reporters, then they have an obligation to inquire about the safety of AB with American embassy authorities. AB’s objectivity has clearly been compromised to the point that he now explains and justifies EZLN murder. Is AB a hostage? Or a willing co-conspirator in racial supremacist vigilantism?
In any case, Mexican authorities should be advised of this alarming situation.
sam
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hey, Anti-supremacist…
Is that the area where the Acteal massacre took place?
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The men milled about on the shoulder of the mountain road, their faces hooded and masked. Christmas was just three days away but first they had some killing to do.
After an hour, the shooters advanced downhill, firing their weapons as they pushed forward through the wounded trees. At the bottom of the hill, the dead were spread around a wood plank chapel where they had been fasting and praying for several days.
Most were women, their dead children still clinging to them. The shooters continued down the ravine, taking their time, killing their victims slowly, slicing them open with machetes. Four of the women were pregnant. Marcela Capote, the wife of the catechist, was nearly at full term and they hacked open her womb and yanked out the baby inside and dashed its skull against the rocks. They told each other that they had come to kill “la Semilla”—the seed.
Although the press regularly reports that the number of those massacred at Acteal was 45, “Las Abejas” (“The Bees”) have always said 46 of their comrades died December 22nd, 1997, including Marcela Capote’s baby. Last year, on the ninth anniversary of the massacre, they upped the count to 49 to honor the three other pregnant women murdered by the paramilitaries—21 women, 15 children, nine men, and four unborn babies.
Horrendous as it was, the Acteal massacre was not the most lethal in a history that is stained with such mass killings—the Conquistadores and the Revolution saw to that. Under the governance of President Ernesto Zedillo, four massacres occurred between June 1995 and June 1998 that took a total of 87 lives. Acteal was not even the bloodiest mass killing in recent Chiapas memory—that dubious honor goes to the massacre by the Mexican military of at least 60 Indian farmers at Golonchan in 1979 during the regime of PRI governor Juan Sabines, whose son, also named Juan, is the current governor of the state.
found this in an article by John Ross..;;
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Can't believe it!
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“In order to enter Oventic, you will have to solicit the Red de Solidaridad con Mexico, or Mexico Solidarity Network, to give you a recommendation to enter the area. This can be done through their its website, which you can find with a simple Google search.” Andrew Beale.
Dear Andrew, what did you tell them which led them to believe you were okay to enter? You had to tell them you agreed with their positions in the interview with no suspicions of being “a government spy!” It sounds to me that you were educated/brainwashed by the great folks you surround yourself with at the Peace and Justice Center. They then passed it on, as Zapatista spies, that you were “a friendly.” (Communist code.)
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But if there were spies, they are in the group already. You must also know that there are defectors who first believed and then became disillusioned by all the foreign university students who support the rebel group who come here under the pretext to make this comment: “This is why the Daily Lobo cCulture sSection recommendsI recommend Oventic as the place to study Spanish this summer.”
The following Beale comment says it all: “Spanish classes at Oventic are not like Spanish classes at UNM. You will not spend time memorizing irregular verb conjugations in the Subjuntivo form (although there is a dog that lives there named Subjuntivo, if that’s worth anything.) Instead, your classes will be conducted in Spanish, but cover a broad range of subjects from politics to history to philosophy to Tzotzil culture.” First you write: “This is why the Daily Lobo cCulture sSection recommendsI recommend Oventic as the place to study Spanish this summer.” Then you write that there this is “not like Spanish classes at UNM.” So, what you actually learned is indoctrination and as an official writer for the Daily Lobo, you then recommend it to students?
Were any UNM funds used to send Beale on his Marxist indoctrination tour? Who paid for his offical trip as the Cultural Editor for the Daily Lobo? Don’t hide or cover-up this either Beale. You wrote a reply above and if you pretend to hide or didn’t see this post, you will then be subject to an official investigation. Who sent you, were you paid, and who paid your expenses?
Don’t hide behind the “I’m a reporter” either. You have gone beyond that since you had to have said something to the “Red de Solidaridad con Mexico, or Mexico Solidarity Network” to let you in. What did you say? “I’m a reporter” wouldn’t cut it! You had to go beyond that!
Also, I googled Mexico Solidarity Network and I came up with a link to ANSWER, a Communist group. Then I found a site, SOLIDNET.ORG, that says they are a group of International Communist organizations that include the Mexican Communist Party and our Communist Party USA. I was also surprised at the numerous Communist parties in Arab countries including Iraq and Palestine.
I also googled the Zapatistas and they did not carry “sticks” like you posted in a previous article. They did not use public transportation since they attacked in the middle of the night when no buses were running. I also can’t imagine that the bus drivers would let armed men with bandanas on the bus since that bus driver was a local. I found that 154 people were killed and I guess with “sticks?”
Another google search said that many of the Indian ladies were poorer since the tourists were not coming so they catered to the American’s and others who were in awe of the Zapatistas so the ladies made “Marcos Dolls” that only these “useful idiots” would buy. Anyone who buys one of these dolls is now being watched by real “government spies.” They are now suspects in aiding an armed rebellion which the Mexican government should arrest the likes of Andrew “I’m a reporter” Beale and all the other supporters who are funding this rebellion!
“And be open-minded, or you’re not going to get a lot out of the experience.” Your mind had to be made up before you got there in order for you to be allowed into the area. What did you tell them?
Beale: “The Zapatista rebellion began in 1994, when masked rebels took over several cities in Chiapas.”
Is it the official position of the University of New Mexico to fund and aid a “rebellion” and “rebels?”
Anti-supremacist
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sam: The Acteal Massacre was a vicious act of vigilantism by unknown assailants in Chiapas. Historian Hector Aguilar Camin has argued that there was both a paramilitary-EZLN confrontation and a massacre (with some overlap between each) but that they were separate incidents.
It is likely EZLN racial supremacists perpetrated the Acteal Massacre as a false flag operation, targeted to smear local Mexican paramilitaries and deceive the public (as well as sympathetic progessive useful idiots like Beale). Afterall, it is no small coincidence the EZLN fly a black flag with a red star.
M.P. Lopez
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Mr. Beale has gone beyond his duty to be an apologist for a “rebel” group. His other one-sided articles are also proof of his stories in “an Independent Newspaper” can’t be trusted! If he, and others, are showing their true colors and there should be an investigation into how, why, and who allows our newspaper to be taken over by the likes of Beale.
BELOW IS A POST ON THE INTERNET TODAY. There is no difference between a Zapatista apologist and a Hezbollah apologist. Fire Beale! I also agree with “Can’t believe it” in an inquiry of who paid for his trip.
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CNN has fired Octavia Nasr, a senior Mideast editor, after her post on Twitter about the death of one of the forefathers of Hezbollah raised concerns at the network about her journalistic credibility.
Nasr had tweeted: “Sad to hear of the passing of Sayyed Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah… One of Hezbollah’s giants I respect a lot.” A blog post later explained her position on the subject, but it wasn’t enough to convince the channel she could stay in her position.
In an internal CNN memo obtained by Mediate.com, Parisa Khosravi, senior vice president of CNN International Newsgathering, said, “At this point, we believe that her credibility in her position as senior editor for Middle Eastern affairs has been compromised going forward. As a colleague and friend we’re going to miss seeing Octavia everyday.”
CNN has fired Octavia Nasr, a senior Mideast editor, after her post on Twitter about the death of one of the forefathers of Hezbollah raised concerns at the network about her journalistic credibility.
Nasr had tweeted: “Sad to hear of the passing of Sayyed Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah… One of Hezbollah’s giants I respect a lot.” A blog post later explained her position on the subject, but it wasn’t enough to convince the channel she could stay in her position.
In an internal CNN memo obtained by Mediate.com, Parisa Khosravi, senior vice president of CNN International Newsgathering, said, “At this point, we believe that her credibility in her position as senior editor for Middle Eastern affairs has been compromised going forward. As a colleague and friend we’re going to miss seeing Octavia everyday.”
DL full of Leftists!
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Can they name one moderate or conservative employee at DL much less a reporter that will openly claim they are? What is the percentage of Leftists compared to conservatives?
The Daily Lobo has been in control of the Leftists for decades!
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There needs to be a change and the only way to achieve it is through the sponsors who pay for half and full page ads. There are hundreds of newspapers still left in the bins every morning which proves the Lobo is not being read or even an interest which then proves that the ads are not being looked at or coupons are not used so it is a waste of money to put an ad in the first place!
The Frontier and Saggios should speak up!
Material support
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Do Americans have any 1st Amendment right to give terrorist groups advice on how to conduct business, even when the subject is (allegedly) journalistic activity? Anti-terrorism laws made that kind of assistance illegal, calling it “material support” for terrorism itself. This morning, the Supreme Court upheld the law in a 6-3 decision that stopped an aid organization from consulting with the PKK:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_supreme_court_anti_terror_law
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The Supreme Court has upheld a federal law that bars “material support” to foreign terrorist organizations, rejecting a free speech challenge from humanitarian aid groups.
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The court ruled 6-3 Monday that the government may prohibit all forms of aid to designated terrorist groups, even if the support consists of training and advice about entirely peaceful and legal activities.
Material support intended even for benign purposes can help a terrorist group in other ways, Chief Justice John Roberts said in his majority opinion.
“Such support frees up other resources within the organization that may be put to violent ends,” Roberts said.
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ESLN would be one such example. It has conducted terrorist attacks in Mexico with one part of its organization while running (allegedly) charitable endeavors with another.
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?perpetrator=1154
Fundraising for EZLN to support its outreach programs would allow EZLN to use the money elsewhere, or even if the specific money was applied to the charitable work, it would allow EZLN to not have to dip into the charity funds for its terrorist activities.
So, a big thank you to all the EZLN-huggers at the Daily Lobo for making it easier for Obama’s NSA to track your URL and Holder’s Justice Department to prosecute your material support propaganda campaign. Great job, traitors.
slowhike
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Well Andrew did you get sand-bagged or are you just a frigging communist libera?
AB
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Haha well Slowhike, I guess that’s for Obama’s NSA and Holder’s Justice Department to decide. :)
Who funded Beales trip?
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There is also the trip of UNM students to Nicaragua and a program also that began as a Communist brainwashing tool of Sandinista Daniel Ortega.
SOLAS and the United for Peace and Justice have teamed up to raise money for the Zapatistas as I have the flyer to prove it. They did this twice. Once at the church on the corner of Girard and Lomas and the other at St. Francis church on Broadway.
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A few years ago, a Zapatista display praising their movement was in a second floor room in Zimmerman. Don Schrader was silent on this rebel group who killed humans to achieve part of their goal.
Funds were also raised, at UNM, in the 80’s for the Marxist rebel movement in El Salvador. UNM even allowed the Campus Committee for Human Rights to bring a female rebel to give a speech. The Daily Lobo quoted Mercedes Salgada: “In order to be in the FMLN, one has to be willing to kill another Salvadorian!” UNM Peace and Human Rights groups sponsored and cheered her?
Boycott Israel? BDS? Hamas supporters? Diversity? Funding rebel movements? Indoctrinating students? Trips to known Communist-controlled zones to “learn Spanish?” Racist groups like La Raza and Black-oriented groups controlling the university?
Daily Lobo is but one tool of these America hate/love Communists groups!
G
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DL full of Leftists! said:
“Can they name one moderate or conservative employee at DL much less a reporter that will openly claim they are? What is the percentage of Leftists compared to conservatives?
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The Daily Lobo has been in control of the Leftists for decades!”
Let’s rewrite this a bit….
“Can they name one moderate or progressive employee at Fox News much less a reporter that will openly claim they are? What is the percentage of progressives compared to neo-cons?
The Fox News has been in control of the neo-cons for decades!”
Or…
“Can they name one moderate or Nazi employee at DL much less a reporter that will openly claim they are? What is the percentage of Leftists compared to Nazis?”
The point is your statement has no point. I guess it comes down to this: if you don’t like the DL, don’t read it.
Then Who funded Beales trip? said:
“Daily Lobo is but one tool of these America hate/love Communists groups!”
Could you BE any more redneck? But down your crack pipe and turn off NASCAR for a bit. If you don’t like the DL, then don’t read it.
Anti-supremacist
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slowhike: AB is reduced to nervous laughter. I take it from that silent concession that AB acknowledges the cited data demonstrate EZLN terrorism; and that the Daily Lobo will now avoid rendering “material support” to same.
Here endeth the lesson.
BREAKING
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Is the odious game of playing footsie with terrorists is finally coming to a close?
BREAKING: Former Congressman Pleads Guilty to Obstructing Justice, Acting as Unregistered Foreign Agent
http://kansascity.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/kc070710.htm
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A former congressman and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations pleaded guilty in federal court today to obstruction of justice and to acting as an unregistered foreign agent related to his work for an Islamic charity with ties to international terrorism, announced Beth Phillips, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Missouri…
[Those puckering sounds you hear are the tightening sphincters of Leftist terrorist-huggers across the fruited plain.]
Gee G! by MB
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Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and all the other alphabet news channels are independently owned and they can put any political slant they want. The advertisers pay in all cases.
The Daily Lobo, and all public universities, are supposed to be an independent newspaper with no political slant. But as we all know, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of all university newspapers are controlled by Leftists! In my three years at UNM, I have noticed a total Left tilt on events they cover and deem important. I even had anxiety attacks when I opened up the paper to see another Leftist letter by Brian Feger. I stopped reading it completely. Many events that I felt were important weren’t even advertised much less covered. Many of my friends didn’t even know there was such an event and therefore would look for an article detailing that event.
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I’m not a redneck or watch NASCAR but just an average student that doesn’t think how your racism became important.
Gee G! You got really ruffled about the “Communist” label by the poster. Why?
I would also like to know the percentage of Leftists to Conservatives in the Daily Lobo staff.
“If you don’t like the DL, don’t read it?” I try not too since I get enough brainwashing from my professors!!! HA!
Phillip Howel
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G, do you watch FOX news? Your question would not be asked if you did.
MB
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Let’s not forget the numerous crazy letters by Muhajir (sp and I’m too lazy to look it up) Romero. His letters are so outrageous so as to make one wonder if he’s only writing such gibberish to provoke a response which then leads to asking a reason other than creating numbers of response letters that can be shown to the higher-ups to justify “more funding due to the numerous people who are interested in our online site.”
The “most commented” numbers are on attacks on Israel so Muhajir is used to provoke just like Feger’s wer!
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It’s as if the Editor calls Brian or Muhajir to have them write a letter to fill up space in the paper. Most, if not all, of what they write is beyond any reason or intelligence!
Also, did everyone know that you can look up the salaries of any UNM employee in a book at Zimmerman. It’s public knowledge at a public university. ALL records, expenditures, payments to outside vendors, invoices, and miscellaneous are public knowledge. Any payments and costs associatied to any trip in the state, national, or international travel can be requested by anyone.
I am now interested in finding out how a trip to Nicaragua and a rebel zone were paid for and who approved this type of obvious recruitment into a questionable cause since Beale himself said that “This is why I recommend Oventic as the place to study Spanish this summer” but then admits that you actually learn about “politics” which are surely tilted towards Marxist and Communist thought!
Recruiting and indoctrinating mostly naive students who think they are going to these areas to actually learn Spanish? What Scumbags!
sam
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Nicaragua, damm, I often wonder what happened to the place.. and El Salvador too…
The Sandinista Revolution of 1979, in the nation of Nicaragua, is a controversial and thought-provoking revolution. In one year, Nicaraguans went from being ruled by a strict right-wing dictatorship to being controlled by left wing, idealistic revolutionaries. Which is the lesser of the two evils?
I was there in the early 1980’s chasing G’s around the jungle..
BAD place, very bloody rule under Somoza..
anybody from there?
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:P
McG.
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Nicaragua was the first in a domino theory concocted by the Soviets, Cubans, and the American Communist Party. Cubans though were in charge of operations since they spoke Spanish, looked the same, and could generally, blend in. Americans were in charge of raising the funds and demonizing the U.S. supported leaders and took their directions to spread disinformation that was given to them by the Soviet KGB.
Next in the domino theory was El Salvador. These above mentioned Communists funded the rebel movement led by the Communist Party of El Salvador. American Communists were in charge of contacting leaders in our government, in Congress, to defund the Contras and El Salvador while using their contacts in the media to write glowing reports on the good work of the Sandinistas and the Communist-led rebels in El Salvador while denouncing the Contras and the government of El Salvador.
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Central America was just one part of the puzzle. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Iraq, under Saddam, was at war with the Mullahs in Iran. The U.S. funded the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and sided with, and also armed, Saddam in his war against Iran who held American hostages for 444 days which was the beginning of the Iranian Revolution that the world is still dealing with today.
The Soviets wanted a warm water port but they wanted more so they sought to take advantage of Jimmy “the Smile” Carter and in 1979 they aided in the violent take over of Nicaragua.
But then the end of the ninties came and the Soviet empire began to crumble. The Sandinistas lost the election which really angered American Communists since they put so much into spreading their ideals on this side of the world and to people who knew nothing of Karl Marx.
El Salvador and the rebels signed a peace agreement in the early nineties but the domino theory was already being planned in the offices of the American Communist Party or Communist Party of the United States of America. NAFTA was given approval by Congress and our Communists sought to use it as an excuse to continue the dominos.
Here came the 1994 Zapatistas who used NAFTA as their tool to takeover the minds and souls of naive Indians in Chiapas. Soon after their takeover of several small towns and the larger San Cristobal de las Casas, the American signs immediately appeared. “No Justice. No Peace.”
How could Mayan Indians, who lived in huts with no electricity, no running water, and no roads except trails and lived as they have for thousands of years, suddenly have the slogans, signs, and media onslaught if it were not for outside influence? It was part of the Communist/Internationalist grand plan of taking over Central America, Afghanistan and beyond, and into Mexico under the direction of the Mexican Communist Party and the Mexican Peace Council, one in the same.
Their hope was to spread it throughout Mexico and eventually spreading into the U.S. which was their ultimate goal. Their recruitment of university students, their infiltration of all churches and all religions, and their infiltrations of all levels of government, intended to prepare the next generation of leaders.
Those followers of Soviet KGB, the Cubans, and our American Communists, are now the leaders in control of the White House and Congress.
So the domino theory actually worked! But once the people see the truth and open their eyes to this Communist conspiracy, the American Communist Party and Democratic Party, filled with Communists, will go the way of every Communist empire!
Along with them will go the Marxist brainwashing by university professors and university newspapers!
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