And then there are those of who just think it’s a corrupt money pit run by a bully with a bad temper. Alas, we know when Locksley quits (or goes to jail), the next guy will just take even more money away from academic.

Hey Academic,

As much as you despise college athletics don’t forget how much exposure the ‘corrupt’ athletic departments give your university and a plethora of other advantages. Who cares about some out in the middle of no where school like New Mexico? Or my alma matter Oregon? NOBODY. I live back east, and the only reason small demographical universities like mine, The University of Oregon, have any name brand recognition is because of OUR SPORTS! As much as undergraduate and graudate research and how many books get published by recognized faculty, it doesn’t hold a candle to what the athletic departments do for the school.

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DCDuck,
Blah, blah, blah. As a matter of fact, athletics programs, no matter how successful, do not contribute to academics in universities. Universities exist for teaching and research, not so a bunch of musclebound momma’s boys in hot pants can run around jumping on each other. No one who’s serious about learning or education would choose to attend or work at a university based on its athletic “brand.” That is an absurd claim, sir.

Also, I challenge you to present one shred of evidence that demonstrates that “A LOT” of athletics programs in the country actually contribute to their academic funds. They are few and far between (and definitely don’t include UNM). If they actually did sell enough tickets to make a profit, it would likely just line the pockets of “Sluggin’ Mike” Locksley and the rest of the athletic department lackeys.

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Red, were you the one always picked last in PE? A University experience is supposed to be a holistic one, not just academic. That includes athletics, the arts and entertainment. Have a great weekend!

BooHoo,

A university education should include a class in logic and rhetoric:

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@lawrence

as per your request.

http://www.unm.edu/~budget/guidelines/glpresentation/Athletics.pdf

FACTS,
Budgets include both revenue and expenditures. Submitting a projected list of revenues without the corresponding expenses (or the actual revenues for that matter) means nothing. Don’t try to pass it off as proof that the athletics department is making tons of money for the university. Plus, over 1.5 million of that comes from mandatory student fees, that might otherwise be used to buy books or materials or simply go back into the pockets of students who need it. And wasn’t Paul Krebs just in the news the other day rattling his tin cup trying to get another 1million out of the regents to fix the baseball field?

And BooHoo, I’m all in favor of playing sports, intermural sports, physical education, exercising, etc. You’re right that an athletic education is part of a holistic education. You are wrong, however, if you think that having 10 guys on the basketball team and 50 on the football team constitutes physically educating the university’s student. It is the business of big sports that has no place at the university, especially when it is not self-funding.

Also, FACTS, the budget you provide lists a $100,000 transfer from the UNM endowment to the athletics department. So perhaps you can explain how that is not taking money from academic programs…

academics blow, fire all the profesors and all the money should go to sports (;

red, there are three pages, the last two including expenses. i stated no opinion one way or the other, merely presented the FACTS, as per your request. you are now free to refer to it in your arguments, as you aleady have. the problem is you’ve directed it at the wrong person. I don’t need to explain anything as i don’t give a fuck. you read your own agenda into my post. clearly someone just likes to fight. read my post again and tell me where i state ANY opinion what-so-ever. thank you your welcome and go blow yourself.

FACTS,
My apologies. I didn’t see the pages with the expenses. And you’re right that I wrongly assumed you to be defending the use of university dollars for athletics.

Now that I’ve seen the entire budget, It’s worth mentioning that the athletics department only projects $16,000 in profits for the year. Without the $100,000 the AD gets from the UNM endowment and the 1.5 million in student funds, they would be very deep in the hole indeed. Not exactly self sustaining, and certainly not giving money back to academics.

LAWRENCE ET ALL, way to go for showing the enormous $$ drain and other resources football requires. What other univ activity gets 2 grass fields 360’ x 160’ PLUS the stands, etc. Anyone who goes on that grass without the permission of the AD can be arrested. And how about that 6 figure “weight” room training facility!! Which students can use it? Students, that $1.5/million of student fees is money forceable taken from your wallet. Think you can attend UNM without paying those fees?

Not included in these general numbers are the dollars the legislature provides for specific projects.

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Well, how does it feel now? 72-0
The football program can be respectable to good with several coaches. But this guy is the worst ever.

Lobo football is worth saving.
But not with this coach.

If you want a purely educational college experience then switch over to CNM. You’re welcome.

Blah, blah, blah NO switch that loser coach Thugsley to CNM!