How come all the non masons see all these so called illusions to Masonry while us Masons see nothing even close to our symbology.Jay Z must be having a good laugh at y’all.

Can anyone define the “New World Order?” How is it supposed to be bad?

Also, many fraternities, including the Boy Scouts, have grips and signs. Maybe Jay Z is a Boy Scout? Or Phi Beta Kappa?

Can anyone define the New World Order?

The NWO was a storyline developed by Eric Bischoff, when he was with Ted Turner’s network. The line was that a group of veteran wrestlers had decended on TBS in order to take over the promotion.
Considered by most fans to be one of the best storylines ever, the highlight was when Hulk Hogan turned heel during a match, becoming Holywood Hogan.

What an incredible article. You manage to point out evidence of Jay-Hova’s influence by esoteric fraternities… and then build straw man arguments to convince the profane there’s nothing to see here. Regardless if he is a mason or not. There is no doubt he is influenced by the esoteric secret societies, and they recognize the work he is doing. Think about it dummies. What’s a gangster rapper doing meeting with the leader of the U.N.?

Just keep telling yourself the global financial elite, global institutions, and esoteric secret societies love you. Just keep listening to ROC A FELLA records and telling yourself Jay-z is real. What a joke!

I believe the word Initiation is something we need to look upon. Mr. Carter is way beyond what we think, a $500 million dollar character? We need to be aware about how we go about things, being drawn in isn’t a good thing..

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am open-mined enough to believe that there is more going on than is recognized by the devouring pubic. I have no idea if JZ is a Free Mason, or connected with some other secret organization with a reputation for partaking in satanic ritual on the inner circles, but I do know a bit about Crowley, who said: “Do as though wilt is the whole of the law.”

In metaphysical circles this is a reference to the use of various energies (some call Magick)and that A.C. was promoting it’s indiscriminate use to accomplish an end by any means available. The sister view to Crowley’s statement is the Wiccan Rede which states: “Do as thou will, lest it harm none.” Ideologically, these are two very different perspectives. Crowley’s allows for the use of forces that are less than desirable to produce an outcome, while the Wiccan Rede specifies that harming the self or others by use of the lower forces is not okay, no matter what the outcome.

As a side note, I think the author of this article was so biased against and dismissive of the opposing view (not arguing the validity of the conspiracy claims b/c I don’t know) that I didn’t believe s/he was even giving me all the valid info. Clearly the writer had a strong agenda that they didn’t even try to be subtle about. This is an opinion column at best (just like this letter)… certainly it isn’t unbiased reporting.

Ok so I’ve read a couple of articles on Vigilant Citizen. These are my impressions. The articles were
1- thought provoking
2- well researched
3- relatively unbiased

YOUR article was heavily biased, poorly researched (you clearly did not read or understand many articles) and you probably have an agenda.

You should learn a thing or two from Vigilant Citizen.

Holy cow, Arianna, so at the end of every argument you got to say: But the opposing point is just as strong…?

I for one am in favor of taking down these paranoiacs wherever they be found. And sorry, that’s not open for debate.

One further point …

It looks to me like Avilucea is a music fan more than he is anything else. George, does that make your argument, music SHOULD be open to conspiracy hysteria?

I actually wrote a 3-part series on this entire topic. Not as concise as this, but I think a lot more thorough at demystifying the madness. (not to take anything away from this article) While I disagree with the insinuation about Jay-Z being a Freemason I believe it’s because we disagree on the nature of Freemasons. I don’t believe them to be some secret world-domination cult. I do believe it’s quite possible for one to be a part of Freemasonry and the public not really know. I do, however, agree that people are going wayyyy beyond reality in their arguments about this and other conspiracy theories.

If you’re interested in reading the full-explanation it’s here:

http://bit.ly/8UnmQK (What is Satanism anyway?)
http://bit.ly/7FMTPf (Who ARE the Freemasons?)
http://bit.ly/6FrEJL (Does Jay-Z worship “the devil”?)

www.changeclothez.com

Finally an article about the Vigilant Citizen site! To begin, I was noticing that everything about music and their videos were getting darker and darker. I was just wondering why I felt this eerie feeling. So my friend told me that they are symbols and secret messages behind all these videos and lyrics and also told me about Vigilant Citizen. I think what he is doing is letting us know what these symbols mean and not telling us that you should go riot against them. He’s just telling us that we should be aware of all the symbols of these evil cults. I certainly did not know who the Free Masons and occultists were because they are not talked about anymore but from reading VC I now understand why. We forget all about the evil in this world and we want everything to be nice and dandy. We don’t want any satanic rituals or people being controlled. So we are ignorant to the symbols and their meanings and that’s why they put the it in the music and music videos. Music has a huge impact on all of us, so if someone is putting all this evil in music they are wanting us to be evil. A scary thought, but now from reading VC I’m glad that I am aware of what is around me.

What a terrible article..

“Simply, the relationship is entirely dichotomous: a high-profile celebrity as a member in a clandestine organization, which prides itself on secrecy and exclusivity.”

1-Masonry is not “clandestine”
2-There are thousands of “high-profile” celebrities in Masonry

YOU are the one propagating dangerous suppositions. Do you have experience in the music industry? Do you know occult symbolism. If you dont know what you are bashing, just shut up.

Even if Jay is a freemason, who cares? What is wrong with the masons?

And please, don’t tell me to go do my research, because I have. I don’t identify with them, but I also don’t see anything wrong with them. There are worse things Jay could associate him self with.

How do Jay-Z get to be a mason. Them dudes don’t allow no brothaz. And last time I check, Jay-Z be black. Do he jus join so he get one of them funny little hats to wear? He could jus go back to mother-land and get a better hat than one fo them fez thangs. he got the scratch to do that if he want.

I’ve read some articles on Vigilant Citizen and I’ve found them infinitely more insightful than this garbage of an article.What was the purpose of this article anyways? You seem to have some sort of personal vendetta against Vigilant Citizen, hence the gratuitous bashing. As a “journalist”, did you consider contacting Vigilant and maybe obtaining his side of the story? That is what we call “unbiased journalism”. Anyways, at least I’ve discovered a great site.

I’ve read some articles on Vigilant Citizen and I’ve found them infinitely more insightful than this garbage of an article.What was the purpose of this article anyways? You seem to have some sort of personal vendetta against Vigilant Citizen, hence the gratuitous bashing. As a “journalist”, did you consider contacting Vigilant and maybe obtaining his side of the story? That is what we call “unbiased journalism”. Anyways, at least I’ve discovered a great site.

whoever wrote this article needs to step into a high school class and learn how to do competent research. vigilant gives hard based facts with detailed explanation of why he looks at things the way he does. all youre doing is ranting and raving about how it isnt true? then tell me…,if Jay is so innocent why not let him defend himself on why there is so much coincidental evidence against his so-called masonic recruitment!
and why the emotional touch to it? are you a mason? ha
suspicious is suspicious no matter what you want to call it.

As a Freemason I always wondered why so many call it a secret society when our buildings are conspicuously marked, the Shriners march in parades and many of our brethren proudly wear symbols of the fraternity, openly in daily life. Next time ask a Mason rather than using that infallible research tool “the internet”.

Are you guys for real? Jay-Z is no more Freemason than Harry Potter is Satan. Are you that starved for excitement? BTW, I had to check out this VC website. Its premise is intriguing, oddly enough: symbols rule the world, not words nor laws. Unfortunately the analyses mustered in support of this premise are, in fact, insane rants. Finally, while I am convinced that rap and hip-hop are God’s revenge against the white dog, I am just as sure Satan has nothing to do with it.

As a Blue Lodge Mason, Scottish Rite Mason and Shriner for over 20 years, I freely ask: “Who gives a crap about Jay Z”?

Jay Z, have fun Gang Stalking Targeted Individuals for the rest of your life! Good organization you have joined there, good decision.

Lovely piece, And for those people who believe Vigilant Citizen,Please know your facts, the person who runs i guess Vigilant Citizen is not calling Jay Z or anyone a Freemason or a Devil Worshipper he “claims” he’s talking about the music industry i believe none of his propagana not for one minute because i can easily gets facts and picture to prove a goth kid i dont even know is apart of the Occult and believes in Satan. Simple as That.

Oh brother. Isaac, believe whatever you want to believe, denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.

“Jay-Z wears a black sweater with the phrase ‘Do What Thou Wilt’ bannered across the front in white letters — a direct reference to Aleister Crowley, who was denounced by the press at the time as the ‘wickedest man in the world.’

It comes as no surprise.

Crowley was a hard-core libertarian. Essentially, rap is a rudimentary form of libertarianism, aimed at emancipating expressiveness to the fullest degree.”

This is pitiful. Here you ALMOST actually admit there’s truth to the accusations of occult references Jay Z makes and then you make it into a victimization of that stupid 3rd political party, “Rap music and libertarianism are GROOVY and hardcore! They’re just expressing their freedom and Vigilant is THE MAN trying to hold everyone down with fascism!”

“If he was a member, would he profanely plaster his affiliation with the group in mass-distributed music videos?”

I wouldn’t think so, but I do know that Masons pledge themselves to Freemasonry above everything else and they believe strongly in idols and symbolism, sort of as “magic amulets” or “lucky charms,” and probably even bad ones too. I also understand that many historical Masons went on to put Freemasonry symbols in just about everything they did after they’d joined. Vigilant even has an article “The Hidden Hand that Shaped History” about a hand gesture they’d do throughout history, but I’m not gonna speculate on what their aims are or how powerful they’re supposed to be.

Do a GoogleImage search for “roc a wear mason shirt,” see what you find then.

Home Slice, do some research. Freemason have nothing against “brothaz”, I happen to know a few who are Freemasons. As for the Freemason’s valuing “exclusivity”… if anyone is interested in becoming a Freemason, all they have to do is ask. Look it up.

Oh dear – I think you have missed the point about “Sites like Vigilant Citizen”. They are not about getting us to believe every supposition is literally true – they are about ideas and the way they interweave with life.
You have to relax a bit dude!

David

All you Vigilant Citizen supporters really should read some reputable books on Occult Symbolism and Freemasonry and you’d find that VC is waaaaay off in his assumptions.

I’ve read many of VC’s articles and laughed all the way through its juvenile expostitons, and the dribbling, sycophantic praise in the comments sections. “Oh, yes VC! Give us more! We always look to you for info on this!” Can’t you see, that VC’s building a Cult of Personality around himself?

More importantly, I heavily criticised VC’s interpretations of symbolism in the comments section of one particular article, and it was swiftly deleted. Granted, he lets through the odd dissenting comment for appearances, but well constructed criticisms never see the light of day for more than a few minutes.

VIGILANT CITIZEN DELETES COMMENTS WHICH CRITICIZE HIS AMATEUR INTERPRETATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS!

“ The site serves as a conspiracy theorist’s delight,”

The inclusion of the term “conspiracy theorist”
in an article is the subliminal calling card of the ‘New World Order’ bagmen who infest all media sources.

As usual…one lines up behind the other.

Paranoia; Is a telephone pole a phallic symbol or the most efficient construction for carrying power cables? Jay Z thanks you for the unpaid advertising and laughs; none of the symbolism is remotely like anything in Freemasonry except to the profane conspiracists.

hmm..looking at what the journalist has published,i believe he has no vandetta over the masonry,bot he is just doing hes job,he has made enough research,and so far all the masonry sides are directed to j.z ,if he is a mason ,then let it be,why fuss about him as if he cant be a mason,he can be from the black brotherhood,but he can be one of them,thanks isaac for your story line,.im learning alot bout escortsim..

I too have had my comments removed from the VC website. How can you claim to be so educated, researched, and vigilant but at the same time, silence people who are critical and ask valid questions about your findings? As far as I’m concerned you should never trust a source who sees it fit to censor his critics.

SIMPLE, HE’S A FREEMASON .. HIS SONGS SAYS IT ALL, THE ALBUMS PROVIDE ENOUGH EVIDENCE, OPEN YOUR EYES YOU IDIOTS!HE’S SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL.. THE ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE.. AND ANOTHER THING , IF HE REALISES WHAT HE HAS GOT HIMSELF INTO AND DECIDES TO DROP OUT, THATS ONLY POSSIBLE THROUH GOD AND HIM ALONE! NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS

to the ignorant people of the internet, Do you want the real truth about Masonry? Google search- Grand Lodge of (state you live). In the most simple terms possible to be a mason is to be a better man. not to be better than anyone else but better in yourself. it is a way to build a better relationship to God. A black Muslim Mason feels a closer bond to Allah than a random Muslim. A jew.. a Christian and so on. Is JayZ a Mason… chances are not that he is, by his actions alone. Most instance the nice old man who opened the door for you or the everyday joe who offers to lend you a hand has a higher chance of being a mason.